http://www.libertas.org/content/view/253/1/
Love the ads, as it should keep the message in mind, when the political parties begin the scaremongering tactics in a couple of weeks.
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http://www.libertas.org/content/view/253/1/
Love the ads, as it should keep the message in mind, when the political parties begin the scaremongering tactics in a couple of weeks.
These ads certainly are hard-hitting and thought provoking.
Pie-chart! - FACT
Bertie and Enda are in cahoots! - FACT
Bertie and the "Prince of Darkness" are in cahoots! - FACT
Lucinda Crieghton will KILL US ALL! - FACT
They're like a breath of fresh air these guys.
Just stated my research on this but does any one want to suggest the consequences of a Yes or No vote.
- Qualified majority seems logical as will be impossible to get 25 countries to agree on everything. As a general rule Ireland seems to vote with the majority anyway. Have we ever actually used a veto?
- Self amending treaty seems strange however is it possible that the EU Commission already makes decisions without referendums? Is there any real impact of this?
I am generally very pro EU as lets face it they have given use billions & we would be a back water without them. Does not mean I will blindly Vote Yes though. This is not really a Pro or Anti EU debate though...
It makes some decisions without referendums, now it wants more. It seems to like like more, lots and lots of more. In answer to your question, I'd suggest framing it wrt to the Irish Constitution and see how that appeals. So, would there be any real impact in allowing the Irish Government to amend the consitution without referenda?
I'm pro-EU too, in fact I consider myself a federalist. But there's federal with central authority and distributed decision-making, and federal with central authority and central decision-making, and me no likey the latter at all; particularly given the greed for power the central authority already has. They need a clock in the gob, and I for one will be giving it to them.
adam
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Article 48 outlines a complex range of procedures for that need to go through for this amendment. The EU Council needs to call a convention with heads of member states & variety of other requirements so not as easy as 10 guys in Europe deciding. EU National Parliaments can block certain aspects too. Hurts my head to read any more.
The BBC Q & A section also includes the attached document.
I did notice the Treaty enshires steps for Countries to exit the EU which I presume did not exist previously.
Who (organisers background) are Libertas & what is their agenda? From reading their web site they come across as anti EU but that seems to simplify. Their poster campaign is not exactly high browed with "EU army" scaremongering.
That's the case with democracy everywhere. Even in a 3-tier coalition government such as here, not everyone will agree with each other.
no...
RIP JOHNNY
Bertie Aherns resignation will help this getting passed as I feel will reduce chance of protest vote.
I was just thinking today who'll be the first country to leave the EU..One of the Scandinavians is always possible, but my money's on Bulgaria.
Want to share your reasoning? Given you have queue of other countries trying to get in can't see any "poorer" countries leaving. Obviously it would be possible to leave but leave an economic union with regards customs etc... in place.
The treaty has an "opt-out" clause regarding the European Union, to be decided voluntarily by the country itself.
Cowen and co, will never do that, so it's not an issue.
Why would they want to?
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
I got the department of foreign affairs booklet in the post today....the EU has grown a lot judging by the map that's in it..Ukraine, Belarus, Switzerland, Norway, Russia (Kaliningrad), Moldova, and former Yugoslav countries all included.
I've read the treaty and with neutrality and taxation decisions safeguarded as being unanimous and with subsidiarity at the core of the EU at present (I do believe they try not to stick their noses in where it's not wanted), I really don't see why anyone would want to vote against it. I agree that 27 commissioners is too many as the 2/3 commissioners will be rotated on a purely equal basis so I see no problem at all.
-It is an ammendment to already existing EU treaties, which were based on the EU consitution (which was rejected)
-It will reduced the 26 counties say in the EU. The voting power will be halved in the Council of Europe. A proposal must be rejected by at least 1/3 of the votes to be rejected. The commission isn't required to withdraw it, although it remains only a proposal.
-It will give major EU member states greater power while reucing smaller states' power
-The 26 counties' neutraility will be abolished and the military must be made availible to the EU for peace keeping and defense.
-More tax payer money must be spend on the military to be able to compensate for this.
For all these reasons, I will be voting NO.
Everyone in Ireland realises what the EU has done for us but we DO NOT OWE THEM OUR NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY.
Any chance of a poll been set up, to see the general point of view here.
http://www.libertas.org/content/view/270/1/
Do France/Germany owe us theirs? Either side having too much voting power is a bad thing. Balancing them properly is a good thing.
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
Irelands vote will be so insignificant that we will balance nothing.
Next to Germany's 82 million inhabitants, we are insignificant. You're either for a 'united' Europe or you're not, so demanding more than the 20:1 ratio you'd expect means you really have to consider whether you want the benefits or not.
This treaty aims to give equality to EU citizen's votes, rather than you and me having more voting power than those in the larger states. If you can't see equality/empathy with an inhabitant of Germany or France or any of the 350 million citizens who live in countries with 10 times our population, then the Union isn't for you. Fortunately for the rest of us, we quite like the Union and the fact that it has dragged us kicking and screaming out of the third world and into providing far more than our fair share of IS/IT services.Code:Germany 82,210,000 France 63,753,140 UK 60,587,300 Italy 59,337,888 Spain 45,116,894 Poland 38,115,967 Romania 21,565,119 Ne'lands 16,372,715 Greece 11,125,179 Portugal 10,599,095 Belgium 10,584,534 Czech R 10,306,709 Hungary 10,066,158 Sweden 9,142,817 Austria 8,316,487 Bulgaria 7,679,290 Denmark 5,457,415 Slovakia 5,396,168 Finland 5,289,128 Ireland 4,239,848
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
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