AIL:Will it happen?

**Lim till i die** · 04/01/2008, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Limerick is a similar sized city to Derry with one senior football side (Derry now has 3, 2 in the IL). But we manage to fund a Premier Division team with a sizeable wage bill without any sugar daddies (and its been almost a decade since we last nearly went bust....!).

There are probably at least 3 to 4 Junior Clubs in Limerick of similar size to Institute and certainly a lot bigger than Oxford-Cambridge-what-you-may-call-it

The Limerick public are apathetic to senior football

Limerick have been in the First Division for 15 years.

I defy any club his this country to have a gigantic-Derry City- sized fanbase when faced with this situation.

The Limerick public, like the Irish public in general, will come out for success.

To somehow imply that they'll never care because they didn't care when we were bottom of the First Division is flawed.

In the space of six months I saw Harps home crowd go from 300 to 3000 ffs.*

*Not a dig at Harps

I don't see why other cities and clubs should be forced to make up that deficit whether it be in an AIL or other format

Forced to do what??

How??

**DmanDmythDledge** · 04/01/2008, 4:13 PM

Originally Posted by Saint MacDara

European Places: Winner and Runner Up in PL qualify for Champions League.3rd and 4th for the UEFA Cup.

Not possible because of co-efficients.

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

In fairness, I think that discussion is also cooked.

G6 fans = broadly supportive
others = against or "maybe later"

......who'd have thunk it?

Difference is the fans that are against it have are basing it on an appraisal of the proposals rather than going along with it because it suits the club they support.

**Lim till i die** · 04/01/2008, 4:24 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

Funnily enough, I'm thinking of the �2,000 fine that Paul McGee incurred for L37.

He fully deserved that fine

Add to that, the fact that their club was expelled from the league because of a personality clash and I'm surprised to see that Limerick fans have such great faith in the FAI.

I neither like nor trust the FAI.

Maybe they'd be better off taking their chances with a group of shady businessmen.

Not without a wage cap we wouldn't IMO

**Saint MacDara** · 04/01/2008, 4:28 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Limerick have been in the First Division for 15 years.

I defy any club his this country to have a gigantic-Derry City- sized fanbase when faced with this situation.

Derry spent 13 years out in the wilderness without the comfort of even the First Division and now look at their support base and success.

I think they defied you

**Lim till i die** · 04/01/2008, 4:44 PM

Originally Posted by Saint MacDara

Derry spent 13 years out in the wilderness without the comfort of even the First Division and now look at their support base and success.

I think they defied you

You're right

The circumstances are exactly the same.

That's not a stupid comparison at all

**Mr A** · 04/01/2008, 4:49 PM

Derry spent 13 years out in the wilderness without the comfort of even the First Division and now look at their support base and success.

That's different though. Derry were able to return to football then with a lot of momentum and interest, especially as they felt they had been forced out of IL football.

I would totally agree that being in D1 for too long seriously damages a club's ability to keep a decent profile and support base.

**Not Brazil** · 04/01/2008, 6:01 PM

Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Therefore, your proposed "1st. Divn Nth" and "1st Divn Sth", the former having clubs from both sides of the border, is nowhere envisaged or proposed.

Second, since any new set-up will no doubt require the support (or at least acceptance) of both Associations, your suggestion will fall down on that score with the IFA, at least. That is, whilst I could possibly see them accepting 3 or 4 (even 5 or 6?) of their leading clubs leaving the Carnegie to join a League over which they had no real control, there is not a hope of their accepting the (rump) Carnegie League being effectively dismantled to allow for your "1st Divn Nth".

Absolutely spot on EG.

I think you and I understand the reasons why our friend's "1st Division North" is a potential deal breaker for many, like me, in Northern Ireland who support the concept of an AIL "Premier" League.

**Blanchflower** · 05/01/2008, 3:03 PM

Never mind that, Not Brazil, what about Drumahoe?

When you visit Institute do you consider yourself to be within the city of Londonderry? Or do you consider yourself to be in Drumahoe village, just outside the city?

**Not Brazil** · 05/01/2008, 6:53 PM

Originally Posted by Blanchflower

Never mind that, Not Brazil, what about Drumahoe?

When you visit Institute do you consider yourself to be within the city of Londonderry? Or do you consider yourself to be in Drumahoe village, just outside the city?

I consider myself to be in a glorified field in the arsehole of nowhere.

**OneRedArmy** · 06/01/2008, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mr A

That's different though. Derry were able to return to football then with a lot of momentum and interest, especially as they felt they had been forced out of IL football.

I would totally agree that being in D1 for too long seriously damages a club's ability to keep a decent profile and support base.

So its better to go out of football for over a decade rather than drop down a division?

Interesting logic.

To LTID plenty of Division 1 teams have had bigger crowds than Limerick, which increases revenue and allows them to get out of the division. You seem to have a problem differentiating cause and effect.

**Lim till i die** · 06/01/2008, 2:57 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

To LTID plenty of Division 1 teams have had bigger crowds than Limerick, which increases revenue and allows them to get out of the division. You seem to have a problem differentiating cause and effect.

And I would wager that I know slightly more about the circumstances surrounding our stint in the First Division than you do.

**OneRedArmy** · 06/01/2008, 3:12 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

And I would wager that I know slightly more about the circumstances surrounding our stint in the First Division than you do.

Evil empire-esque conspiracy then so?

I look forward to hearing this....

**Poor Student** · 06/01/2008, 3:17 PM

Lads, your petty squabble is destroying this thread and obscuring a very relevant and intriguing topic: Is Drumahoe part of Derry City?

**OneRedArmy** · 06/01/2008, 3:20 PM

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Difference is the fans that are against it have are basing it on an appraisal of the proposals rather than going along with it because it suits the club they support.

Read what you have just written again. It makes no sense.

Believe it or not, I appraised the proposals and like them compared with the status quo. Of course I am biased, as is almost everyone else on here. You can argue the toss all you like about how objective the naysayers are being in their opposition but their views are absolutely guided by the potential impact on their club.

**Lim till i die** · 06/01/2008, 3:24 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I look forward to hearing this....

Look forward away

I'm not going to get into an argument with a Derryman about who knows more about football in Limerick.

**Mr A** · 06/01/2008, 3:31 PM

So its better to go out of football for over a decade rather than drop down a division?

Only in terms of momentum and interest levels the following season obviously. A team returning to senior football will create interest that a team that has been consistently in the lower division will not.

**OneRedArmy** · 06/01/2008, 4:53 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Look forward away

I'm not going to get into an argument with a Derryman about who knows more about football in Limerick.

Its got nothing to do with knowing more about football in Limerick.

The point was around the special set of circumstances that you seem to be claiming that have prevented Limerick being more successful but that you won't divulge.

You must agree that unless there is evidence to the contrary (which you won't provide), it is perfectly rationale to assume that Limericks continued poor performance and support is primarily due to a lack of support for senior football in the city?

**micls** · 06/01/2008, 8:47 PM

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Difference is the fans that are against it have are basing it on an appraisal of the proposals rather than going along with it because it suits the club they support.

What are you basing this on? Your opinion of it?

Seems to me a lot of the fans against it are not going along because it doesn't suit the club they support.

And it their club were in the G6 they'd have a different opinion, in the same way many fans of G6 would if their club wasn't in it.

I'd wager almost everyone on here cares a hell of a lot more about whats good for their club than for the rest of the league. And therefore their views on any issue will reflect that.