Anger at 'lazy' Roma remarks

[Block G Raptor]

My point is that the begging of the Roma is only a drop in the ocean compared to what rich people on the take are getting out of us.

I think your missing the Point BP, it's not the begging as such that people have the problem with, its more to do with the fact that the Roma came all this way to Ireland with the intension of begging, it has little to do with how much they are getting, and more to do with how little they contribute. I for one am sick and tired of hearing do gooders like Pavee Point et al telling us what a wonderful multi cultural society Ireland is becoming, I dont see any evidence to back up their claims, all I see is ghetto's and leeches. can anyone on here give me any redeeming feature about these people?

rant over

[Magicme]

They keep their houses spotlessly clean, are talented welders and artisans, my fathers Goddaugher is a delightful young girl, they are very generous people desipte having feck all.

Whats the value of any society other than to live and let live.

If I arrived in a country and wasnt allowed work for years, was marginalised and ghettoised like these people have, I dont think I would be overly keen to start earning money and paying taxes to the people that have shat on me for 6 years.

That said, I know a few Roma lads who are working hard and contributing to society.

[Block G Raptor]

are talented welders and artisans, .

Then why don't they sell their wares instead of shoving a paper cup in my face and lifting my wallet on the LUAS

[BohsPartisan]

I think your missing the Point BP, it's not the begging as such that people have the problem with, its more to do with the fact that the Roma came all this way to Ireland with the intension of begging, it has little to do with how much they are getting, and more to do with how little they contribute. I for one am sick and tired of hearing do gooders like Pavee Point et al telling us what a wonderful multi cultural society Ireland is becoming, I dont see any evidence to back up their claims, all I see is ghetto's and leeches. can anyone on here give me any redeeming feature about these people?

rant over

I think they came all the way to Ireland with the intention of escaping persecution, not the famed generosity of the gullible gael.
Anyway, you could say the same of the Milesians!

[jebus]

Then why don't they sell their wares instead of shoving a paper cup in my face and lifting my wallet on the LUAS

So if they came to your door selling their wares you wouldn't come on here complaining about them calling to your door and bothering you? Plus you're generalising again, oh and there's another Irish forum where this type of nonsense, and your other thread would be more suited too as well, let's just call it S.Front

[Magicme]

Then why don't they sell their wares instead of shoving a paper cup in my face and lifting my wallet on the LUAS

Because our government have repressed their people by consigning them to the dung heap of society so they cant be bothered anymore.

I worked with the first group of Roma who came to Ireland on the container at Wexford and 9 years on I can see how they have become victims of our goverments "caring", bordering on racism, stance on asylum seekers.

[monutdfc]

It was Mary Harney who revoked asylum seekers' right to work

[Magicme]

You would think that no Irish person had ever robbed or begged on the streets to hear some of you. Go back to your history of when the Irish moved to the likes of New York and the hassle some caused there. Prostitution, gangs, drunken lazy louts, etc. You cant paint everyone with the same brush.

[Block G Raptor]

Because our government have repressed their people by consigning them to the dung heap of society so they cant be bothered anymore.

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in that case explain to me why they involve themselves in the same activity in Romainia, Bulgaria and what ever other countries they Migrate to, I suppose it the governments of those countries fault too

And to and answer your question, Jebus. Yes I would be interested in buying some artisan wares from them as I collect ethnic sculpture(usually when abroad)
but would much rather they set up a stall in a market or a shop than going door to door

[Magicme]

Shock horror! Imagine that Gypsies being mistreated by other goverments....no no it would never happen. I suggest you read up on some of the problems the Roma have faced in many countries including their own to enlighten you.

We are not the first and will not be the last to allienate them and push them into a sub-class but I had hoped that us "kind caring fun" Irish might rise above that and give the poor feckers a chance. Some hope when B***cks Bertie & Co are in charge.

I could tell you personal stories from the Roma I know showing how they were treated in the post-communisim regime but I know will be wasting my time as you have your mind made up.

Go listen to Michael Franti and try to learn some compassion.

[Block G Raptor]

I think they came all the way to Ireland with the intention of escaping persecution, not the famed generosity of the gullible gael.
Anyway, you could say the same of the Milesians!

Have you actually been to romania and seen the conditions they live in ?
I have, and as for persecution they are treated in romania as travellers here are treated, Things were bad for them in the past, but as part of the conditions for Romania's accession to the EU a lot of new legislation has been passed to protect their way of life.
I can assure you that it is not escape from persecution that the Roma are thinking of it is pastures new and rich pickings,
they are by definition a Nomadic race who have migrated all across the continent for thousands of years and lived the same parasitic lifestyle for as long

[Magicme]

Well I should hope things have improved. Was dead against Romania joining the EU as there human rights record is appalling.

And them being treated them same way as travellers here are treated is acceptable? Thats a joke. How anyone can treat any human being so horribly is beyond me. Yes am a soft old fool who believes in the intrinsic good in all but I feel that the laws of parenting, apply in all things. Love, accept the person as they are, praise the good and set boundaries to curtail the bad.

Peace and love to all (except Bertie! )

[Block G Raptor]

Shock horror! Imagine that Gypsies being mistreated by other goverments....no no it would never happen. I suggest you read up on some of the problems the Roma have faced in many countries including their own to enlighten you.

We are not the first and will not be the last to allienate them and push them into a sub-class but I had hoped that us "kind caring fun" Irish might rise above that and give the poor feckers a chance. Some hope when B***cks Bertie & Co are in charge.

I could tell you personal stories from the Roma I know showing how they were treated in the post-communisim regime but I know will be wasting my time as you have your mind made up.

Go listen to Michael Franti and try to learn some compassion.

It's a case of the chicken and the Egg then magicme, Are they marginalised because of there way of life? or do they live a certain lifestyle because they are marginalised. I firmly believe it to be the former

And them being treated them same way as travellers here are treated is acceptable? Thats a joke.

No it is in no way acceptable, but it is hardly persecution. you dont see travellers mass-migrating to get away from the persecution in this country

[Magicme]

I believe that you should have the choice to live whatever way you want without victimisation as long as you are obey the moral codes of society.

[Block G Raptor]

I could tell you personal stories from the Roma I know showing how they were treated in the post-communisim regime but I know will be wasting my time as you have your mind made up.

Go listen to Michael Franti and try to learn some compassion.

I am open to hearing of their plight really I am, I'm not extremist by nature I just have a pain in the backside being hassled and harried and intimidated by them on a daily bases just trying to get to and from work. There are a lot of people in this country who want to help them and that is admirable(although some of this is very mis-guided), but really they have to help themselves by making an effort to integrate and accept the customs and indeed laws of the host country, which throughout history the Roma have refused to do.

I believe that you should have the choice to live whatever way you want without victimisation as long as you are obey the moral codes of society.

That really is the Crux of it. It is my experience that a huge proportion of the Roma in Ireland do not obey the moral codes of this country.

[Billy Lord]

can we really call being all the worst aspects of the human race a culture?

Are you talking about the Irish or the Roma?

[Magicme]

Well I am often asked for money or to buy the big issue etc and I just smile politely and shake my head and dont feel like its a major thing to over a common courtsey of acknowledging them.

It is clear to see from government statistics of immigration that less Roma or any Romanians are coming to Ireland and maybe that is due to improvements in their home country which I welcome.

I firmly believe that we are all entitled to live where we want and how we want. Man's greed created boundaries, the planet was built to share.

[jebus]

Well I am often asked for money or to buy the big issue etc and I just smile politely and shake my head and dont feel like its a major thing to over a common courtsey of acknowledging them.

And there it is people, what a lot of you can't seem to get, a Roma asks for change you either say 'no I'm sorry I don't', or give them a few coins, either way you treat them as an ordinary person and you will get treated the same way in return. Maybe the few of you who have had problems with them have had those problems because your attitudes shine through when you're dealing with them? You treat them as filth so they treat you in the same manner.

Surprised all this talk of smacking Romas, and running them all out of the country hasn't been deleted by now to be honest, if I took some of the posts people have put here and posted them up on ********** I'm sure I would get some positive feedback from that shower, which says it all about what I think about this thread

[Block G Raptor]

Surprised all this talk of smacking Romas, and running them all out of the country hasn't been deleted by now to be honest, if I took some of the posts people have put here and posted them up on ********** I'm sure I would get some positive feedback from that shower, which says it all about what I think about this thread

Just been on S.front (never heard of it till your previous post) god above I hope I don't sound as Moronic as the muppets on there

I would never advocate violence against anyone, however I would support deportation for anyone found to be leeching/screwing the system and or flouting the law

[dahamsta]

In case you're wondering, I haven't deleted this thread in the hope that people would come in and show up the borderline racists for what they are. I agree fully that they'd feel more at home on the pig-ignorant S.front.