Anger at 'lazy' Roma remarks

[Dodge]

More Hearsay really, One of the Security People on the Luas told Me

had a feeling it'd be that reliable...

[jebus]

The Conclusion that Roma are akin to Irish travelers is way wide of the mark

Never said they were akin to Irish Travellers, I said the view that we will not be able to intigrate them into our society is akin to the same idea that we couldn't 'settle the traveller'.

[Block G Raptor]

I think it would be a lot easier to "Settle a Traveller" as you put it than it would to get Roma Gypsies to resemble decent human beings, ffs most of the traveller culture is derived from Irish culture of the past that we "Settled" people have moved on from, we have absolutely nothing in common with the Roma

[jebus]

I think it would be a lot easier to "Settle a Traveller" as you put it than it would to get Roma Gypsies to resemble decent human beings, ffs most of the traveller culture is derived from Irish culture of the past that we "Settled" people have moved on from, we have absolutely nothing in common with the Roma

Except for the curse of humanity of course

[micls]

I think it would be a lot easier to "Settle a Traveller" as you put it than it would to get Roma Gypsies to resemble decent human beings, ffs most of the traveller culture is derived from Irish culture of the past that we "Settled" people have moved on from, we have absolutely nothing in common with the Roma

Define a decent human being?

[Block G Raptor]

Define a decent human being?

One who's purpose for existence goes beyond Begging and stealing for a start

[micls]

One who's purpose for existence goes beyond Begging and stealing for a start

Is someones purpose for existence simply what they do for money?

I know mine certainly isn't

I would challenge the claim that all Roma's steal.

So taking the begging. Does begging mean you are not a decent human being? If so why?

[Block G Raptor]

Is someones purpose for existence simply what they do for money?

I know mine certainly isn't

I would challenge the claim that all Roma's steal.

So taking the begging. Does begging mean you are not a decent human being? If so why?

Begging out of necessity certainly does not mean someone is not a decent human being, Begging, stealing, scamming, leeching and generally making a nuscence of your self as a way of life, in my opinion does not make a decent human being

Also I've been to Romania and seen how these so called Gypsies live there, believe me they are far from destitute in their own country

[micls]

Begging out of necessity certainly does not mean someone is not a decent human being, Begging, stealing, scamming, leeching and generally making a nuscence of you self as a way of life, in my opinion does not make a decent human being

Again I refute the claim that ALL Roma's steal, and scam.

You claimed it would be very difficult to turn them into decent human beings. SO by your definition choosing to beg means you are not a decent human being? Or am I picking you up wrong.

Do you feel the same about those who choose to be on the dole or live of social welfare payments?

Personally I think there is a lot more to being a decent human being that how you legally make your money.

[jebus]

One who's purpose for existence goes beyond Begging and stealing for a start

A lot of Irish people beg and steal in, say, London, should they all be treated as filth? Should they be kicked out of England at the earliest chance? Should we let them back into this country is they are sub-human? If not what should we do with them?

[Block G Raptor]

Personally I think there is a lot more to being a decent human being that how you legally make your money.

Well you've hit the nail on the head right there. of course how you legally make money does not define how decent you are, But if you illegally make it (refute all you want, it is overwhelmingly evident in this city that vast vast vast Majority of Roma would rob the eye out of your head quicker than look at you)then that defines what kind of person you are, talk to any European who has experience of these people in their own country and they will tell you they are nothing but parasites who take what they can get where they can get it and by any means neccessary, the fact that the majority of them are undocumented also means that they can operate with reletive impunity from the law unless they are caught red-handed

[micls]

Well you've hit the nail on the head right there. of course how you legally make money does not define how decent you are,

And as begging is legal then this culture of the Roma's does not define how decent they are.

But if you illegally make it (refute all you want, it is overwhelmingly evident in this city that vast vast vast Majority of Roma would rob the eye out of your head quicker than look at you)

Overwhelmingly evident to who? You? How many ROmas have you or people you know seen doing this? Is there any proof or just presumptions based on a stereotype.

I dont doubt there are many Romas who steal, scam etc. but Im certain there are many Irish worldwide that do the same.

However your claim was that it is very very difficult to make a Roma(implying any) into a decent human being.

There are varying statistics but it is estimated there are anywhere between 1700 and 3000 Romas in Ireland.

Are the vast vast vast majority of these thieves? Lets say 95% or between 1620(if theres 1700) and 1850(if 3000)?

[Ringo]

Source?

13,000 Romanians issued with just 110 work permits

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/fro...251355745.html

No break down of what percentage are Roma.

[Lim till i die]

A lot of Irish people beg and steal in, say, London, should they all be treated as filth? Should they be kicked out of England at the earliest chance?

Yes to both tbh.

13,000 Romanians issued with just 110 work permits

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/fro...251355745.html

No break down of what percentage are Roma.

Take 110 from 13,000 and multiply by 100/1 to get the percentage

[BohsPartisan]

SO they beg. They are no worse than those Charity Muggers or the c*nts that come to my door asking to see my phone bill so they can "save me money". They're certainly not as bad as the "great and the good" who rip us off at every available opportunity. Why is it when you have a rich guy on the take and a poor guy on the take, the poor guy is the scapegoat for the ills of society?

[GavinZac]

A lot of Irish people beg and steal in, say, London, should they all be treated as filth? Should they be kicked out of England at the earliest chance? Should we let them back into this country is they are sub-human?

As filth? No. Sub-human? No. As beggers and stealers? Yes. For feck sake,

If not what should we do with them?

Put them in jail if/when they steal or harass someone.

To take a Fine Gael tactic here, I'll go with an anecdote. One day last march, all the daffodils along the public park near county hall on the lee fields were plucked from the ground. Odd?

The next day, the Roma's had replaced their plastic roses with daffodils, and were selling stolen public property on the Irish Cancer Society's Daffodil Day.

The thing is, its women and kids selling these things. The men are their 'security'; and more than likely the ones who put them out there in the first place.

SO they beg. They are no worse than those Charity Muggers or the c*nts that come to my door asking to see my phone bill so they can "save me money". They're certainly not as bad as the "great and the good" who rip us off at every available opportunity. Why is it when you have a rich guy on the take and a poor guy on the take, the poor guy is the scapegoat for the ills of society?

I pay my taxes and donate to charity so that my money at leas has a chance to go to those who can't work to keep themselves living decent lives. Why would I give my money to someone who had the money to get here via flights to and from Paris, and then the cheek to push their baby and a coffee cup in my face?

[BohsPartisan]

I pay my taxes and donate to charity so that my money at leas has a chance to go to those who can't work to keep themselves living decent lives. Why would I give my money to someone who had the money to get here via flights to and from Paris, and then the cheek to push their baby and a coffee cup in my face?

Did I tell you to give them money? However you do give money to Bertie Ahern and his ilk. Your tax money has subsidised Ryanair and the parasites that ripped off aer lingus and a whole host of other welfare programs to the rich. At least you have a choice about giving to beggars.

[GavinZac]

Did I tell you to give them money? However you do give money to Bertie Ahern and his ilk. Your tax money has subsidised Ryanair and the parasites that ripped off aer lingus and a whole host of other welfare programs to the rich. At least you have a choice about giving to beggars.

I have a choice about paying tax too. I can vote for who I want and if I don't like it I can try to find a better candidate who actually has the ability to get himself elected, I can stand myself, or I can leave and go work, legally, in any EU member state.

Kudos on the petty political dig ignoring how ridiculous your "poor guy takes on the rich guy" malarky is. For feck sake, if they picked up a guitar and played me a b'astardised version of BandAid I might be tempted to throw a euro their way. If someone makes no effort to stand on their own two feet they aren't some poor man hero, they're a leech and spitting in the faces of people who at least try.

[sullanefc]

Take 110 from 13,000 and multiply by 100/1 to get the percentage

Where did you go to school?? Check your maths!!

If someone makes no effort to stand on their own two feet they aren't some poor man hero, they're a leech and spitting in the faces of people who at least try.

Spot on.

[BohsPartisan]

I have a choice about paying tax too. I can vote for who I want and if I don't like it I can try to find a better candidate who actually has the ability to get himself elected, I can stand myself, or I can leave and go work, legally, in any EU member state.

How likely is any of that happening other than the last bit though? And at the end of it all are you saying you willfully get ripped off by politicians and billionaires? You have to pay tax, its the law. My point is that the begging of the Roma is only a drop in the ocean compared to what rich people on the take are getting out of us.