QuoteNot to mention facilities and marketing.Originally Posted by Billy Lord
Look it won't happen without FAI/IFA/UEFA backing (although I read somewhere that UEFA supported the idea of an AIL in principle). If that happens Rovers will be in no matter what. I agree with the wage cap. I also want to see an AIL.
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
Not to mention facilities and marketing.
The point is, they're already building us a stadium, they're already building training facilities. They're already marketing us; but the only way to even half fill that stadium would be to be competitive on a european stage and to vastly improve the quality of the league by attracting the kind of players people will pay to watch.
As I said, I'm all in favour of limiting wages, but a blanket cap of 65% is ridiculous; Kilkenny City might pull in €50,000 a year and Cork City pull in at least €1,000,000. Cork City are in a much safer position to be spending more than 65%, perhaps 85% on wages. That leaves €150,000 for a "rainy day", as that is all that this money will be if the investors are already building facilities.
How legal is this cap, anyway? I know its anti-competitive, and its certainly restricting employment. National associations had to drop the foreigner limits and the strict transfer windows; how would one so blatantly illegal get by?
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I'm no expert but I've seen it written in other football circles that you shouldn't have more than 50/60% of your turnover spent on footballing wages as good business practise. I mentioned somewhere before that Celtic have worked theirs down to around 50%.
I think it's unlikely that any investor will throw their money at an eL club forever unless they happen to be rather rich and philanthropic therefore most eL clubs (there's 22 of them) will have to stand on their own two feet with a stable and sustainable business model. That can be done if they don't blow more than 65% on short termism.
It's hard to debate this though as I don't know if wages means purely players, the whole footballing side (e.g. coaches as well) or the entire wage bill of the club. None of us still seem to know how donations, directors loans and owners investment fit into the income definition either.
Yes, but investors don't want stable. Stable is unattractive right now as stable means bleeding money. its fine for celtic to limit their wages to 60% because they're dragging in multi-millions in merchandise from this island alone. The big clubs are losing money right now and all but a select few smaller clubs are having their costs covered by philanthropists. but (our) investors believe that with investment, rather than bill-paying, they can move closer to glasgow celtic than kilkenny city.
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Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
You could argue that a rainy day in Cork would be much more costly than a rainy day in Kilkenny - the bigger the club, the bigger the expenses. I'm guessing the 65% was seen as a safe figure, no matter what the actual turnover for each club is.
I'm guessing it is not a case of being legal under Irish law - I'm guessing it is a policy the clubs signed on to. Lots of sports have wage caps, and I think they're all voluntary "gentleman's agreement" style deals. Every club signed on to this wage cap, right? If they change their mind and decide to ignore it, it probably wouldn't break any law, but would break their deal with the FAI and other clubs. I don't know what the consequences would be.
Isn't the function of this wage cap to try and change the situation so that "stable" doesn't mean bleeding so much money any more? A limit of 65% means that you can only bleed so much, on players at least.
Last edited by osarusan; 30/12/2007 at 12:11 PM.
If your investors spend millions on this then your wages will have no trouble keeping within 65% of your turnover.
Let's see them do all this first and we can cross the Roy Keane bridge if we ever come to it.
Didn't know that - where is going and how long will it take?
Hunky Dorys Park - could be worse, we could be going to Old Trafford every other week
A nice shiny new crest with a massive red "C" and what looks like a pirate ship you get a theme parks on it
As a Widnes fan back then - I'd never thought I'd see that referenced on here - ****ing Maurice Lindsay selling us and Keighley up the River Mersey
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This was a summary of the meeting in Newry on Friday as I told to me and first posted on ILSF. I stand to be corrected on any of the below but I think it is fairly accurate.
12 full time teams with an 8-4 South North split (i.e. 3 IL clubs and Derry City) Best guess's are that the 3 "prefered" are Linfield, Glentoran and Glenavon.
New company to be formed with the clubs in the new league (by invitation) being franchisees.
Players fund to be available to help clubs have a level playing field when it comes to transfers.
The company to loan money to clubs if they need to do ground improvements.
Head Office in Belfast.
Board to run the company similar to what has be proposed for the IFAPL with one of the promoters companies acting as consultants it seems.
P&R. 1 relegated (with parachute money availalble) the 2 current leagues to continue to operate with the winners of each in a play off for promotion. (Though I don't know what happens if this causes inbalances in the leagues below.
Interest shown by Uefa and IFA (not sure if that is the Exec or one individual mind) but not from the FAI.
Governments show interest.
IL clubs represented: Glentoran, Portadown, Newry, Glenavon, Newry, Donegal Celtic and Crusaders with Linfield sending their apologies. (Don't think I have missed anyone). Portadown rep left early.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...cle3296452.ece
Glentoran supporting the idea. Also their is talk of 2 champions leagues spots. Don't know how they will work that one out.
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Why can't Irish people get the concept of settling sporting matters on the field
Any more details on that? Say for example if Cobh were in the top division and Derry, Cork etc. spent 10k on a player's transfer fee, would Cobh be able to go and get 10k for their own player of similiar ability? More importantly would it be a short term loan?
All well and good until the creditors come calling
Any idea on what the TV/Prize money breakdown is?
Doubt they will want to pass the sceptre after only a year in charge
I heard they will go to the top teams from the North and South, regardless of where they finish in the league, e.g. if Linfield finish above their fellow Nordies, but still only finish 5th they will still get the CL spot
Last edited by jebus; 31/12/2007 at 10:58 AM.
Just in case it's not already known, the 65% cap is a cap on "player costs". In your scenario above you're suggesting that €150,000 would be enough for Cork City to pay its team manager, coaching staff, physio, grounds staff, admin, sales and marketing staff, and all of the other overheads (insurance, rent, rates, telephone, ESB, etc. etc.). I can't see how €150,000 would cover all that.
Technically the cap doesn't restrict employment. If a club has €1m turnover it can spend it's €650,000 any way it wants. That could be 20 players earning €32,500 each or one prima-donna earning €600,000 with another 50 earning €1,000 each. This isn't a wage-cap for players (i.e. one that limits the wages of any one player), it's a spending-cap for the clubs.
I'm afraid I don't have anything more than I posted.
So 9 teams from the Eircom League leaving 3 premier division teams and 10 division One teams. Brings up the questions would the LOI return to a single division?. What about the (to date) 4 A league teams?, would there still be a A league or would these sides simply be entered into the new LOI division
If the government of both sides are interested in seeing this go ahead then the FAI could come under pressure and find their government funding under threat and I can think of one or two sporting organistions who wouldn't mind an extra bit of money whether they do indeed need it or not.
One question regarding UEFA though where does that leave the two national teams?.
Not interrogating you Mr. Parker I know that all you know but just general questions/point(s) that spring to mind
Last edited by steno; 31/12/2007 at 12:27 PM.
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Cheers for posting up what you heard anyway, my questions were more aimed at anyone else in the know
Player funds, money available for ground development (bigger crowds), and parachute money.
If the first two bits of info relate only to top division clubs, it sounds like whatever club is relegated will be in prime position to get promoted again, given the financial aid.
And all this money will come from new sponsorship and a tv deal?!
It all sounds like the Simpsons episode where Mr.Burns buys/helps the Church doesn't it
Which basically kills any interest UEFA have for this.
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