G6 stay defiant

[BohsPartisan]

We'd have more right to be there than Galway and Waterford and if we're going on recent league position then Derry too.

It was only a matter of time before Sligo fans started feeling "hard done by".

This thread reminds me of the debate on decentralisation at the PSEU conference in 2004. Two firmly entrenched camps
I'm in favour of an AIL but only after certain things are assured:
1. Fan culture is encouraged not trampled upon like in the Premiership.
2. The wage caps stays. Its good for everyone even the clubs who are against it in the long run.
3. The Limericks and Shelbournes ( ) don't get left behind. A share of the cash should be set aside for generally improving the league infrastructure and better prize money should be available to the lower divisions.

The lower division clubs should base their co-operation on these and any other demands they feel reasonable. As the ad says "Its not just A or B; There's usually a C"

[passerrby]

your missing the main point kerry why do you think its called the G6 if they had more support it would be called G13,14,15, etc they do not want anybody else in there new exclusive club why do you think nobody else was invited to the summit,s because there was nothing on offer for them, and that my numerically challanged friend is why there is no love this hair brained scheme

[kingdomkerry]

We'd have more right to be there than Galway and Waterford and if we're going on recent league position then Derry too.

I was only giving an example of the first few clubs that came to mind. Sligo would fit in with the above IMO. Possibly limerick too if they ever get their act together. I just said waterford, galway and derry because they are cities and could command a large support if they were involved in a higher profile league ie AIL

[sligoman]

It was only a matter of time before Sligo fans started feeling "hard done by".

Fecking sure, cos I really don't see why the likes of Galway and especially, Waterford should be in it ahead of us. I'm aware that this is only people's opinions on who'd be in it and not an official draft of teams.

Anyway, I can't see this ever working and I hope it doesn't either.

[Student Mullet]

You really see Derry playing in the first division if an All Ireland League was created?

It depends on whether there's fair promotion and relegation, like you say:

We'd have more right to be there than Galway and Waterford and if we're going on recent league position then Derry too.

If, instead, there's a breakaway league without promotion & relegation, I don't think it'll survive.

[passerrby]

I was only giving an example of the first few clubs that came to mind. Sligo would fit in with the above IMO. Possibly limerick too if they ever get their act together. I just said waterford, galway and derry because they are cities and could command a large support if they were involved in a higher profile league ie AIL

Oh i see its like Noahs ark if you convince enough clubs that they might be invited on board then they might just help build the ship ,but when the rains come they will find out how fcuked they are.

[kingdomkerry]

your missing the main point kerry why do you think its called the G6 if they had more support it would be called G13,14,15, etc they do not want anybody else in there new exclusive club why do you think nobody else was invited to the summit,s because there was nothing on offer for them, and that my numerically challanged friend is why there is no love this hair brained scheme

Yeah but i was talking about the benefits of an AI Premier League rather than the G6. Possibly because i dont see it as for real. Come on even the name "G6" sounds fake!

I am convinced with the right marketing and sponsership an AI League would put irish football on the map. The problem is that fans from clubs who dont see themselves as being inside the top 12 (approx) clubs in Ireland want to hold the rest back. The other obstacle is the unionist element coming from the north.

Attitudes are destroying progress in sport!

[kingdomkerry]

Oh i see its like Noahs ark if you convince enough clubs that they might be invited on board then they might just help build the ship ,but when the rains come they will find out how fcuked they are.

Im not with you ive never seen or read noahs ark

[passerrby]

how do you think i feel im a unicorn.
on a more serious note yes an AI league could be advantagous at some stage in the future but as long as the G6 are involved nobody else will buy into it as they do not care about anybody other than themselves. they may require our clubs support now but if they get the AI

[BohsPartisan]

This G6 thing is a media creation. Get over it and stop being scared of the future. Get on board now, and fight your corner for the type of league you want to see. Remember Widnes!

[EalingGreen]

Some chip on your shoulder!!!


...the only people who are holding this back are the IFA.

To them accepting this goes against their unionist principles even if it means progress for all.

As you've demonstrated in starting a (frankly laughable) thread suggesting a merger of Cliftonville with Donegal Celtic, or by your previous claim that Linfield's support comes chiefly from East Belfast, it is clear you know little or nothing about IL football.

And by your continuing attempts to ascribe solely partisan political motives to the IFA, it is clear that you are the one with a chip on his/her shoulder.

Consequently, I can't help wondering about the credibility of your posts on LOI football.

Anyhow, to get back on topic, I can see a whole host of reasons why this proposed AIL might fail to get off the ground e.g. suspicion/hostility by the IFA/FAI/UEFA, opposition by the clubs excluded etc, which makes me wonder whether this is not as much a ruse by the G6 clubs to put pressure on the FAI over the salary cap etc, as a serious proposal in its own right?

That said, I can see one reason why it might just be made to work. I personally don't buy the idea that an all (or nearly all) f-t professional AIL will raise playing standards so much that the barstoolers and English/Scottish Prem fans in Ireland will suddenly flock to a new domestic League in their thousands.

However, if a serious and credible competiton, involving the "big" clubs in all the main population centres of Ireland, evenly distributed geographically, could get off the ground, it might just attract enough TV money (Setanta, Sky, RTE, BBC etc) to work financially. This is because it would be serving a market of 5 1/2 million reasonably wealthy people, including a fair share of "event junkies", who might just be persuaded to cough up a subscription and generate advertising revenue etc.

This is similar in size to the market for Scottish football. Granted, Ireland doesn't have anything remotely close to Rangers and Celtic; that said, those two clubs' financial needs are so much greater than any club in Ireland that the leading 4 or 5 clubs in Ireland might, if properly managed etc, be looking in time to rival instead the likes of Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee United etc in the second tier of Scottish football. This would be clear progress imo and make an AIL worth considering.

Still and all, I still don't think it will happen, since it would require real skill, competence, perserverence and vision to pull it off and even if there are enough people in Irish football with all those attributes, getting them all to work together would be like herding cats.

[GavinZac]

your missing the main point kerry why do you think its called the G6 if they had more support it would be called G13,14,15, etc they do not want anybody else in there new exclusive club why do you think nobody else was invited to the summit,s because there was nothing on offer for them, and that my numerically challanged friend is why there is no love this hair brained scheme

its called G6 because the bloody Sun newspaper wanted to sensationalise things to get people like yourself worked up.

[Student Mullet]

its called G6 because the bloody Sun newspaper wanted to sensationalise things to get people like yourself worked up.

Also, because there's six of them.

[holidaysong]

Also, because there's six of them.

[passerrby]

Also, because there's six of them.

exactly my point... six clubs met to decide what was best for them ,no one else

[GavinZac]

exactly my point... six clubs met to decide what was best for them ,no one else

Is whats best of them necessarily worse for the other clubs? I would that these meetings, convened by Arkaga, are the result of Aidan tynan ringing the numbers of chairmen he thought would probably be interested in bettering the game here. If someone from Mon U FC turned up, I doubt they'd be turned away. If the 6 clubs come to the other 14 with a good plan, are the 14 going to say "feck that, you didnt invite us to the meetings".

[Student Mullet]

If the 6 clubs come to the other 14 with a good plan, are the 14 going to say "feck that, you didnt invite us to the meetings".

I don't speak for 14 clubs but my answer would depend on whether the good plan included wages being capped at 65% of turnover.

[passerrby]

Is whats best of them necessarily worse for the other clubs?
I would that these meetings, convened by Arkaga, are the result of Aidan tynan ringing the numbers of chairmen he thought would probably be interested in bettering the game here. If someone from Mon U FC turned up, I doubt they'd be turned away. If the 6 clubs come to the other 14 with a good plan, are the 14 going to say "feck that, you didnt invite us to the meetings".

are you seriously proposing that Arkaga, aiden tynan and jim roddy were interested in the future of other clubs ... my backside.
if we turned up ...get a grip
remember this group has approached the fai with a plan that was not seen by anybody else so yes although feck is not the word i would us

[BohsPartisan]

I don't speak for 14 clubs but my answer would depend on whether the good plan included wages being capped at 65% of turnover.

Well thats what the rest of them should use as their bargaining chip.

[GavinZac]

are you seriously proposing that Arkaga, aiden tynan and jim roddy were interested in the future of other clubs ... my backside.
if we turned up ...get a grip
remember this group has approached the fai with a plan that was not seen by anybody else so yes although feck is not the word i would us

well they probably didnt take monaghan into consideration as there are probably some eircom league fans who havent heard of monaghan, but i would imagine they will understand that any league, to be exciting and competitive, needs more than 10/12 teams. Believe it or not, its beneficial to us if Monaghan exists, if they provide the same sort of variety that lower league teams provide to england. The clubs dont want to just float out in the middle of nowhere like the MLS or NFL, they want progression within an expanded pyramid, any threatened "breakaway" is just a bargaining chip. While I applaud Monaghan for their continued existence in the face of an apathetic public, if Arkaga are to be believed, they have higher plans than simply putting out a semi-pro team every week and giving the locals a team to cheer for and a club to try out for. Far higher.

If certain smaller clubs would begrudge them that then its understandable why they haven't left the graveyard in my lifetime.