G6 stay defiant

[osarusan]

I would (think?) that these meetings, convened by Arkaga, are the result of Aidan tynan ringing the numbers of chairmen he thought would probably be interested in bettering the game here.

I would think that their main interest is their own club and own bank balance.

It's hard to reconcile the idea of them trying to improve the game as a whole with the reports of trying to start a breakaway league not administered by the FAI.

any threatened "breakaway" is just a bargaining chip.

To bargain with who? The FAI?

[GavinZac]

I would think that their main interest is their own club and own bank balance.

It's hard to reconcile the idea of them trying to improve the game as a whole with the reports of trying to start a breakaway league not administered by the FAI.

And their club and bank balance can't exist in isolation.

Why would trying to improve the game as a whole not fit with starting a breakaway league without the FAI? We did it before for a long time. If the FAI stay stoic on their rule which, while well intentioned, clearly did not involve a lot of thought (currently, if for some reason roy keane walked in the door of the offices in gran parade and asked for a job, sending the public into a frenzy and we sell €1,000,000 of merchandise in a day, we would have €350,000 sitting around that we couldn't do anything with except 'put aside for a rainy day'). While its well intentioned to prevent another shelbourne case (though i'd be surprised if at least one club isn't breaking it next year), if it doesn't allow pledged investment, i.e. money which doesn't have to be paid back and doesn't carry any risk, its only going to serve to turn away people who want to improve our game. We've been crying out for investment and now we're turning it away?

To bargain with who? The FAI?

Yes, I can't see it ever going that far. The FAI and IFA are perturbed that these talks have been going on without their direct involvement but they will not want to turn away any good progress, they will want to stamp their name on it.

[Student Mullet]

currently, if for some reason roy keane walked in the door of the offices in gran parade and asked for a job, sending the public into a frenzy and we sell €1,000,000 of merchandise in a day, we would have €350,000 sitting around that we couldn't do anything with except 'put aside for a rainy day'

There's nothing wrong with putting money away for a rainy day but you would also have the option of spending it on anything other than player wages.

[GavinZac]

There's nothing wrong with putting money away for a rainy day but you would also have the option of spending it on anything other than player wages.

Yeah, we can construct our 25,000 seater stadium and have 2,000 in it to watch sean kelly and denis behan kick about.

[osarusan]

Why would trying to improve the game as a whole not fit with starting a breakaway league without the FAI?


If the FAI stay stoic on their rule which, while well intentioned, clearly did not involve a lot of thought.


they (FAI) will not want to turn away any good progress, they will want to stamp their name on it.

I'd rather be governed by the FAI, which has a duty (in theory at least) to serve all of the clubs under its jurisdiction, than be governed by a structure set up by clubs who want to avoid a rule the majority of clubs (it seems to me) think is a good rule and a good idea.

I'm not convinced it is "good progress" at all.

But there is one question nobody has bothered to, or been able to answer -

Under current regulations, and assuming Ireland isn't granted an exemption by FIFA/UEFA, would the creation of an All-Ireland League mean that this island would no longer be able to have two national sides?

My belief is that it would mean that the island would no longer be able to have two national sides, in which case both FA's would never support it, in which case it's dead before it ever got started.

[DmanDmythDledge]

This isn't going to be a runner for the simple reason that FIFA/UEFA won't recognise it just because a few clubs want to back track on something they agreed on 18 months ago.

[Partizan]

completely different club.

typical C/\wkie delusional nonesense.

Waterford FC & WUFC are the same entity, i.e. club but different trading company. Ring up the WUFC main office when they open up in the New Year and they will give you a quick answer.

Still it must be absolutley galling for you egos down on Leeside the fact that our Club is 77 years young and has 6 League titles to its name.

Ah sure,what does a spotty, angst ridden geek who knows next to nothing about eL before 2000.

Its in my sig, watch and weep.

[passerrby]

[QUOTE=GavinZac;845116] if Arkaga are to be believed,

nah dont think so

[Buller]

Also, because there's six of them.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a new Post Of The Month.

I regret starting this thread now, this is obviously a very touchy subject...

[The Good Son]

Still it must be absolutley galling for you egos down on Leeside the fact that our Club is 77 years young and has 6 League titles to its name.

Ah sure,what does a spotty, angst ridden geek who knows next to nothing about eL before 2000.

Its in my sig, watch and weep.

You have us well sussed ok. It galls us completely to have won our second FAI cup in 23 years and once again to be playing premier football next season. We look east with envy to Waterford who once again are plying their trade in the first division. Waterford are now lucky enough to be competeing with Limerick 37 for the titles of third and fourth best teams in Munster, with even queenstown looking down on them.

Any chance you could include leagues and cups won by waterford since 1984 in your fantastic sig?
Oh sorry, I just noticed you have included them.
Or maybe even include years spent outside of the top division?
You see, we weren't competing with you before 1984. So to this non spotty, but perhaps angst ridden and even possibly geekish City fan who has been following City since well before 2000, 1984 to be exact, these years are all that count to me, you know these years that we've spent in the top division since it started.

[Poor Student]

I'd rather be governed by the FAI, which has a duty (in theory at least) to serve all of the clubs under its jurisdiction, than be governed by a structure set up by clubs who want to avoid a rule the majority of clubs (it seems to me) think is a good rule and a good idea.

I think that's something people forget. When the FAI/LOI merger was being debated a lot of people talked about smaller clubs "holding the rest of us back" referring to the fact that first division clubs and smaller premier clubs could easily out vote the five or six full time clubs and they looked forward to a more unilateral decision making process under the FAI. Now that the FAI don't share their vision for the league either they're willing to go back on everything they agreed on a short while ago.

[micls]

Under current regulations, and assuming Ireland isn't granted an exemption by FIFA/UEFA, would the creation of an All-Ireland League mean that this island would no longer be able to have two national sides?

My belief is that it would mean that the island would no longer be able to have two national sides, in which case both FA's would never support it, in which case it's dead before it ever got started.

If there wasn't an exemption there isn't a hope of this happening, however I wouldn't be sure that FIFA/UEFA would be against it. As shown by FIFA they don't really want to get involved in the politics here, they don't want to tell Northern Irish people they aren't Irish and imo granted an exemption on that front so I don't think it's completely inconceivable.

On the G6 issue, whatever about the not inviting other clubs(is this 100% fact?) they know full well that their success as clubs is dependent n a strong and successful league in general. At a fans forum during the season Tynan spent a lot of time emphasising this point. Speaking of how important communication between the clubs is and the improvement of infrastructure and standards in every club is.

Now it's quite possible he was only thinking in terms of the premier but for any club to be successful there needs to be a general rise in standards of all clubs especially facility wise and I see this as a positive thing for the league overall.

On the wage cap, I'm unsure how I feel about it. If 'donations' are allowed then Im all for it. This allows investment without risk to the clubs of getting into huge debt.

However If donations are not allowed I think it'l just hold clubs back and turn investors off. While the concept behind it is sound and I understand the need to spend money on more than just wages(facilities, underage etc.) I think investors interested in the league will want to see more immediate results to their investments, i.e. better(more expensive) players coming in and creating a buzz which increases attendances.

Next year will be very interesting. As it stands I can't see how Drogs(and possibly Bohs) will stay under the wage cap(if donations are not allowed) given the size of their squads and when we actually start bringing in players(hopefully) we could be in the same position. How will it be enforced?

Anyway in general I'm all for an All Ireland league simply as I think it will improve standards and over time improve football in the country, however there are many many things that need to be worked out before we get anywhere near it. It needs the backing of the FAI/IFA and Uefa.

[kdjaC]

same newspaper as rovers to donnybrook and nothng in any news paper or media since.....

hmmmmmm



kdjac

[DmanDmythDledge]

same newspaper as rovers to donnybrook and nothng in any news paper or media since.....

hmmmmmm



kdjac

Negotiations between Rovers and Leinster Rugby were at an advanced stage and if the story hadn't been leeked to the Sindo Rovers would probably have ended up in Donnybrook.

[damien]

typical C/\wkie delusional nonesense.

Waterford FC & WUFC are the same entity, i.e. club but different trading company. Ring up the WUFC main office when they open up in the New Year and they will give you a quick answer.

Still it must be absolutley galling for you egos down on Leeside the fact that our Club is 77 years young and has 6 League titles to its name.

Ah sure,what does a spotty, angst ridden geek who knows next to nothing about eL before 2000.

Its in my sig, watch and weep.

enjoy the first divison send us a post card as we have never been down there

[DmanDmythDledge]

Article from Daniel McDonnell in today's Indo.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...s-1254523.html

Doesn't really say anything that hasn't already been said, apart from saying that Shamrock Rovers and Dundalk have been invited to the group.

[Billy Lord]

And their club and bank balance can't exist in isolation.

Why would trying to improve the game as a whole not fit with starting a breakaway league without the FAI? We did it before for a long time. If the FAI stay stoic on their rule which, while well intentioned, clearly did not involve a lot of thought (currently, if for some reason roy keane walked in the door of the offices in gran parade and asked for a job, sending the public into a frenzy and we sell €1,000,000 of merchandise in a day, we would have €350,000 sitting around that we couldn't do anything with except 'put aside for a rainy day'). While its well intentioned to prevent another shelbourne case (though i'd be surprised if at least one club isn't breaking it next year), if it doesn't allow pledged investment, i.e. money which doesn't have to be paid back and doesn't carry any risk, its only going to serve to turn away people who want to improve our game. We've been crying out for investment and now we're turning it away?

How about investing that mythical 350K in coaching kids/developing an academy?

[holidaysong]

Article from Daniel McDonnell in today's Indo.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...s-1254523.html

Doesn't really say anything that hasn't already been said, apart from saying that Shamrock Rovers and Dundalk have been invited to the group.

G6 is dead. Long live G8!

Selfishly I would have to support this move if Dundalk were to be involved (I'd sell my soul to Satan to get out of the graveyard at this stage) but if we were to remain outside the 'elite' division then I would have similar concerns to those expressed previously by osarusan et al.

[Steve Bruce]

G6 is dead. Long live G8!

Selfishly I would have to support this move if Dundalk were to be involved (I'd sell my soul to Satan to get out of the graveyard at this stage) but if we were to remain outside the 'elite' division then I would have similar concerns to those expressed previously by osarusan et al.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g8/story/0,,2095625,00.html

[DmanDmythDledge]

G6 is dead. Long live G8!

Selfishly I would have to support this move if Dundalk were to be involved (I'd sell my soul to Satan to get out of the graveyard at this stage) but if we were to remain outside the 'elite' division then I would have similar concerns to those expressed previously by osarusan et al.

The plan is to set up a 12 team league, with 8 teams from the eL and 4 teams from the IL. Presumably these two teams have come into the media after yesterday's meeting.

Personally (although I obviously can't speak for them) I can't see Rovers going for it at this moment in time. The 65% wage cap fits in with the way the club is run and they seem happy enough to remain part time at the moment.