Bohs appoint Fenlon

[GavinZac]

Do you actually believe that?

which part? that we have the money? well we're building a gym and laundry room in bishopstown even though we dont own it and are only there for another year. i think we have the money.

aidan tynan has been the one organising all these meetings between the pro clubs about what to do about the 65% cap. if he was going to ignore it, he'd keep his head down, like that property dealer of yours.

[Port Saint]

I really couldn't see any other appointment for Bohes.

Regardless of which side you argue I think we'll know by the time he's finished with Bohes, whether that's one year or ten years from now.

The real question is how much do Bohes believe in Fenlon?
Will they throw cash at him or let him build gradually like Drogheda did?

With Rovers coming back to the land of the living Cork Derry Bohes and Pats coming into the equation next year is building up quite nicely.

[Cosmo]

aidan tynan has been the one organising all these meetings between the pro clubs about what to do about the 65% cap. if he was going to ignore it, he'd keep his head down, like that property dealer of yours.

Cork, like drogheda and pats among others, will be looking at ways to get around the cap as theres no way they'll meet it so to say cork are intent on staying below it is quote laughable really - intent on getting around it like all the other clubs though

[Aaron]

From Aertel, and courtesy of Davy on DCC

[GavinZac]

Cork, like drogheda and pats among others, will be looking at ways to get around the cap as theres no way they'll meet it so to say cork are intent on staying below it is quote laughable really - intent on getting around it like all the other clubs though

Aidan tynan left his last job due to going public about rule breaking and corruption. If they can't meet the cap they will probably be at the forefront of the professional clubs in trying to match it. Will that mean a lack of success? Probably in the very short term.

[BohsPartisan]

He bought the players because he's a chequebook manager, and that's how he manages. With better players, obviously he got (slightly) better results. A good manager would improve the current players; Fenlon just bought in more. You're continuing to ignore the fact that he won't have anything near the same budget at Bohs as at Shels, which is a very important factor.

Bohs won't go far in the InterToto. They'll get through one round at best (easy draws pending, obviously)

We've already got the bones of a very good squad. Best defence in the league. Best keeper in the league. Very good midfield. Need to improve up front. He'll have the money to bring in another few players. Fenlon has won 3 league titles. He knows how to be a success. So it didn't work out for him in Derry, It didn't work out for Kenny in Scotland either. Name me a manager out of what was available to us that is better than Fenlon.

[pineapple stu]

Rico. Matthews. Both have won leagues and/or Cups spending a fraction (less than half, I'd say) of what Fenlon spent to win his leagues.

[Martinho II]

if bohs are to win the title they will need to get into glenn crowes head. he has a very poor season for them. im pretty sure that owen heary will be delighted to see his old gaffer back. I cant see bohs challenging drogs for the title next year it will be pats again and maybe cork city as well.

[Rossi]

We've already got the bones of a very good squad. Best defence in the league. Best keeper in the league. Very good midfield. Need to improve up front. He'll have the money to bring in another few players. Fenlon has won 3 league titles. He knows how to be a success. So it didn't work out for him in Derry, It didn't work out for Kenny in Scotland either. Name me a manager out of what was available to us that is better than Fenlon.

Sorry drogs have the best defence by a mile as proven with the team of the year.Drogs have possibly best foreward line too in Zayed,Bates and Fabio.

[sonofstan]

Sorry drogs have the best defence by a mile as proven with the team of the year.Drogs have possibly best foreward line too in Zayed,Bates and Fabio.

Your 'best defence' let in 7 more goals than ours - tell me how you measure the worth of a defence?

[Réiteoir]

Your 'best defence' let in 7 more goals than ours - tell me how you measure the worth of a defence?

from what i can gather here stan - rubber awards > actual goals conceded figures.

Where was this top class defence when we rolled them over in the FAI Cup this season?

[CollegeTillIDie]

The less goals you concede the better your defence. End of.....

[GavinZac]

The less goals you concede the better your defence. End of.....

Its not that black and white, nothing in football is. Suppose a great defence has no protection from midfield, or an atrocious goalkeeper behind them? Everybody has blamed our loss of alan bennett for our turn around from best defence to worst amongst the top clubs - at the same time that mick devine was gonig through the worst form of his career. Or suppose the figures are bent by one particular game where nothing on the pitch was working, again using a Cork City example where Rovers put 4 past us.

[CharlesThompson]

Its not that black and white, nothing in football is. Suppose a great defence has no protection from midfield, or an atrocious goalkeeper behind them? Everybody has blamed our loss of alan bennett for our turn around from best defence to worst amongst the top clubs - at the same time that mick devine was gonig through the worst form of his career. Or suppose the figures are bent by one particular game where nothing on the pitch was working, again using a Cork City example where Rovers put 4 past us.

Look, that's like saying that for instance Pat's played much better football than Drogheda last year and beat them two of the three matches in the league but lost by a point because in one match three players were sent off and they were beaten by a last minute o.g. to Waterford at home, therefore Pats are a better team than Drogheda, despite the fact that Drogheda won the league. Ridiculous.

Bohs conceded less goals than any other team in the league last season, QED Bohs had the best defense last year. Don't get me wrong, I'd say that the Drogheda supporters aren't exactly cacking themselves they didn't win the 'best defence' record over the league Champions title. Of course, if they'd like to swap I think we could come to some arrangement.

[GavinZac]

Look, that's like saying that for instance Pat's played much better football than Drogheda last year and beat them two of the three matches in the league but lost by a point because in one match three players were sent off and they were beaten by a last minute o.g. to Waterford at home, therefore Pats are a better team than Drogheda, despite the fact that Drogheda won the league. Ridiculous.

What? How is that, in any way, like what I said? If 'best' is simply measured by how many goals you concede over a season, sure, Bohs had the 'best' defence. However, does that mean that Drogs would swap their back four for yours? Your unadventurous football and your strong midfield probably had more to do with it than the particular combination of centre and full backs.

Bohs conceded less goals than any other team in the league last season, QED Bohs had the best defense last year. Don't get me wrong, I'd say that the Drogheda supporters aren't exactly cacking themselves they didn't win the 'best defence' record over the league Champions title. Of course, if they'd like to swap I think we could come to some arrangement.

They probably won't care that you won a 'least goals conceded' record, but they might object to your claim to having the best defence.

[osarusan]

What would the criteria be for deciding "the best defence"? I agree with GavinZac that goals conceded alone isn't enough to call it, but what other tangible criteria are there?

[superfrank]

Least goals conceded AND most clean sheets, pehaps?

[sonofstan]

Least goals conceded AND most clean sheets, pehaps?

Which I think we win as well.

[GavinZac]

What would the criteria be for deciding "the best defence"? I agree with GavinZac that goals conceded alone isn't enough to call it, but what other tangible criteria are there?

I don't even optastats-depth rankings would cover it. It simply isn't tangible, it isn't black and white. Nothing in football is. Eventually, a consensus comes together and people agree and move on. After all, more people state Maradona as the greatest player ever, despite that other south american guy with the best statistical record.

In this case also, a team-of-the-year voted in would probably be the best consensus available; I gather that Drogs outperformed Bohs in this field.

[BohsPartisan]

In this case also, a team-of-the-year voted in would probably be the best consensus available; I gather that Drogs outperformed Bohs in this field.

Well lets compromise and call us the meanest defence (which I would classify as best at defending thus doing the job of conceding less goals but if you want to apply some metaphysical criteria go ahead)