Yes.Originally Posted by NeilMcD
But aren't you doubtful. It is the FAI after all. Do you honestly believe Delaney when he says he wouldn't have any involvement in the selection of the new manager?
For this to be the case, Howe, Givens and Houghton would have to be in on it, and as professional men with reputations to uphold, I don't think they would agree to be party to such a plan.
Unless you think they are stupid enough, and Delaney is smart enough, to manipulate them into hiring Venables and make all three of them think it was their idea.
I can't see him being that smart, or them that stupid.
Last edited by osarusan; 18/12/2007 at 9:42 AM.
Delaney, in that case, you (IFK) think is acting as a Svengali. You led me astray with the charade analogies.I get you now alright.
Far too much rubbish coming out from the media on this. Just shut the **** up and lad the 3 lads get on with the job of interviewing people. To be fair so far the FAI have done what they said they would do. Now I am not over the moon by the 3 guys they got but at elast they are football people with integrity.
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I won't be hiring you as my editor of Hoop Times!
Lokk at Wolves' results under Hoddle. Compare them with McCarthy's results with a much smaller budget.
Mick McCarthy is a better manager then Hoddle. For that reason alone he shouldn't be let near the job.
As for Big Ron....
That memo can't be real. Delaney is just playing 'Smokes and Daggers' (to quote Bertie) to cover up the fact that the Venables appointment is a done deal.
Put it like this.
Delaney has stated that he and the FAI will have no involvement in the selection of the new manager. Fair enough. However if this transpires as not being the case, is the credibility and objectivity of the selection committee not compromised?
And where does this selection committee come from? It was born in the ashes of the FAI's failed appointment of Stan to dissolve FAI responsibility in the next appointment. But this is amazing. Whatever way the FAI wish to twist it, the national senior side is the FAI. It's their most important product, it's their most important revenue stream. What other company/organisation/association would outsource such a critical decision that will have direct impact on their most important product/income stream? Surely the CEO most be involved in important decisions like this? If not how does he justify his paycheck?
I think Don Givens is genuine and has the best interest of Irish football at heart. I'm not going to question his integrity. I'm questioning the FAI's supposed non-involvement? There's just too much that doesn't add up.
good one, now tell the one about pat devlin
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How do you reconcile these two posts with your next one?
I'm not trying to have a go at you or anything, but I don't think your argument holds water.
The FAI said they wouldn't be involved, yet they're appointing the selection committee - you see that as involvement. So do I, but if not the FAI, who is going to hire the committee? If you feel that Givens is "genuine and has the best interest of Irish football at heart. I'm not going to question his integrity." the surely you should be happy with the FAI for hiring such a person, not criticising their involvement.
If you feel that a selection committee is a good idea, and you feel that the members of that comittee are the right men for the job (and I'm not saying you feel that, or have said it), then the FAI have done their job well, as long as the committee are clear on what they have to to, and are given the resources to do it.
Now, now. Pat Devlin is a whole different kettle of fish.
Everyone has their opinion of Don Givens but he does make decisions based on what he thinks are best for Irish football. Whether these all decisions are correct or not are easily debatable in retrospect. (There're plenty of decisions that I haven't necessarily agreed with.) But he is employed to make decisions and whilst employed in the position he is, he is entitled to make those decisions.
You could say the same about anybody that is crap at their job or even good at it. One could say the same about John Delaney.
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I saying that the selection committee is a farce. I've asked multiple unanswered questions in this thread surrounding the charade that is the selection committee. The credibility and transparency of the committee is already questionable as whilst the FAI proclaim non-involvement, it's impossible for them not to be involved.
I've the best interests of Irish football at heart - doesn't necessarily mean I should be on the selection committee. If the FAI is not involved in the selection of the new manager then why is a current FAI employee on the panel? And don't forget that it's a 3 man committee and majority rules or does it? who knows - I bet you Delaney does the answer.
But there're outsourcing their most important business decision. Delaney earns more that Bertie Ahern. Why, if he is outsourcing the most important decision? Or is he??? I've said my piece - everyone can draw their own conclusions.
Last edited by ifk101; 18/12/2007 at 10:26 AM.
See the way I see it, is that if the FAI were to appoint the manager like they did the last time and Delaney and 2 others in the committe were given the job there would be lots of people including myself and many other who would say, what qualifications does Delaney have to pick the football manager. He is not a footballing man, he is a business man or an accountant and that is where his talents lie. Therefore I would rather that footballing people are making the decision. I would have liked Giles or Brady or someone like that on the panel but I understand why they did not want to be on the panel.
I think in this case the FAI are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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I've no idea what's going on and doubt very much the accuracy of the shortlist, but that list is almost too funny to be true.
Hoddle was a good England manager, one of their better ones actually, but is such an arrogant twit there's no way he'd make an impact on our players.
To suggest Atkinson is credible is beyond a joke.
Houllier & Venables are both credible, as are about half a dozen names not mentioned.
What about Benitez ? Did he not get the dreaded "vote of confidence", which means he should be available shortly
should you not be gunning for chippy
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I agree yet Atkinsons last major trophy came 3 years after El Tell's. Neither is credible to me.
^^ Most sensible post in this thread. ^^
Troussier is going to Japan so that is one name not on the 12/14.
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Don't worry Gavin, I got it even if no one else did.
Although
may be stretching the truth a bitsomeone who's actually won something
We'll let the courts decide how cheap he is, thank you.more importantly though quite an ask, he'd be free and cheap.
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