Rovers Win

**khoop** · 15/12/2007, 5:47 AM

Anyone who thinks that the bigots are hard done by needs to take a look at this:

http://193.178.1.186/grants_funding/...ortgrants.html

They are so obsessed with grabbing as much funding as possible to build needless facilities in every feckin' corner of the country that it's a wonder they ever find time to play their "games".

**deFaoite** · 15/12/2007, 9:46 AM

Originally Posted by deFaoite

All sports? Where does the athletics track go? Oh that's right you can't fit a senior GAA pitch into an athletics track. So the all sports argument really just means intercounty GAA.

Actually if you want proof of that this is from the TD press release yesterday, which incidentally was jointly issued by TD and the DCB (the true extent of the GAA's involvement is coming out now to show what we've known all along - this whole affair has had DCB & Jones Rd. behind it.):

Use of Tallaght Stadium, on the other hand, serves the GAA's ambition to have a suitable venue available to facilitate and promote inter-county games at all levels on the south side of Dublin.

It's not nor ever was about 'all-sports' it's about the GAA wanting to have a ground redesigned and handed to them for their exclusive use as a a southside Parnell Park. The irony of course being that the government has repeatedly offered to help them fund such a project but that's not good enough for them. Grab All Association.

**Tony_Montana** · 15/12/2007, 11:01 AM

Real Shame that all sports can not be played in this venue, i fear we have taken a step back as a country.

**HolylandsMan** · 15/12/2007, 11:11 AM

And if you know anything about the grants system, you must realise that you're talking rubbish. Most clubs get 80-90% funding if they play it right.

Certainly not the experience we've had, albeit in North and I sincerely doubt those percentages

football isn't a minority sport in Ireland. It's quite the opposite.

League of Ireland football certainly is and that's what the discussion was about.

Therefore its dimensions need not be big enough to facilitate senior GAA games, although it must be said that the Tallaght stadium will facilitate junior GAA games and Shamrock Rovers welcomes such activity.

Ok then, what other sports have been earmarked to be played in Tallaght? Have they been approached? How many have expressed an interest in using the facilities and how often is it expected that the stadium will be used other than for Shamrock Rover's matches? (Genuine questions)

What about athletics?

Is there as demand in the Tallaght area for an atlethics track? |If so, it should soemthing that is looked into.

It's a great Irish sport that the GAA have ignored for decades but as there's no money in it they've chosen to let it become virtually redundant.

No its become "virtually redundant" because people aren't as interested in playing and watching it as other GAA sdports. It still receives a lot of attention from the GAA.

They are so obsessed with grabbing as much funding as possible to build needless facilities in every feckin' corner of the country

Imagine providing needless facilities for sport in all those wee village round the country. Sure they probably have a town within 40 miles most of them. Better still, why don't they all just move to Dublin. Bleedin culchies.

It's not nor ever was about 'all-sports' it's about the GAA wanting to have a ground redesigned and handed to them for their exclusive use as a a southside Parnell Park.

When have the GAA ever asked for the exclusive use of Tallaght?

Despite all of the above, I do think its right that Shamrock Rovers have a home. I just think, and most GAA people agree, that they should have had to go about it in the same way as every other sporting organisation in the country has to.

I'm not a member of Thomas Davis so i don't know what their motivation was. People on here have said that they simply didn't want Rovers in Tallaght. I don't believe that however if it were true, I would lose all sympathy for them. I think they have fought for a principle and lost. At times their behaviour wasn't the greatest (e.g. the banning of John O'Donoghue), however they were right to contest the principle.

I hope Rovers enjoy the use of the South Dublin County Council's stadium.

**Tony_Montana** · 15/12/2007, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by HolylandsMan

Certainly not the experience we've had, albeit in North and I sincerely doubt those percentages

League of Ireland football certainly is and that's what the discussion was about.

Ok then, what other sports have been earmarked to be played in Tallaght? Have they been approached? How many have expressed an interest in using the facilities and how often is it expected that the stadium will be used other than for Shamrock Rover's matches? (Genuine questions)

Is there as demand in the Tallaght area for an atlethics track? |If so, it should soemthing that is looked into.

No its become "virtually redundant" because people aren't as interested in playing and watching it as other GAA sdports. It still receives a lot of attention from the GAA.

Imagine providing needless facilities for sport in all those wee village round the country. Sure they probably have a town within 40 miles most of them. Better still, why don't they all just move to Dublin. Bleedin culchies.

When have the GAA ever asked for the exclusive use of Tallaght?

Despite all of the above, I do think its right that Shamrock Rovers have a home. I just think, and most GAA people agree, that they should have had to go about it in the same way as every other sporting organisation in the country has to.

I'm not a member of Thomas Davis so i don't know what their motivation was. People on here have said that they simply didn't want Rovers in Tallaght. I don't believe that however if it were true, I would lose all sympathy for them. I think they have fought for a principle and lost. At times their behaviour wasn't the greatest (e.g. the banning of John O'Donoghue), however they were right to contest the principle.

I hope Rovers enjoy the use of the South Dublin County Council's stadium.

Are Derry City fans the most boring people on this planet ?

**khoop** · 15/12/2007, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Tony_Montana

Real Shame that all sports can not be played in this venue, i fear we have taken a step back as a country.

Real shame that the GAA hoovers up so much grant money to pump into grounds all over the country that are full maybe once a year - yet not even an occasional rugby game can be played in them. What a complete waste of money. Bigoted organisations should be barred from receiving funding.

As far as I'm concerned, the GAA can play in Tallaght Stadium as often as they want - they just can't destroy it as a soccer venue.

**sniffa** · 15/12/2007, 11:23 AM

Reading the arguements against Rovers and the enlightened responses puts the greed of the GAA into perspective.
It seems that the dark days of the GAA are are still being worshiped by the few backward bigots that still exist.

Maybe sometime in the near future County will tread the turf of " The Bigot Bowl" as we seem to be your feeder club.

**Tony_Montana** · 15/12/2007, 11:26 AM

I love soccer and would not consider myself a bigot, but i have to admit to mainly being a EPL fan ! better football better stadia and better atmosphere !

**Red4Eva** · 15/12/2007, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Tony_Montana

I love soccer and would not consider myself a bigot, but i have to admit to mainly being a EPL fan ! better football better stadia and better atmosphere !

how have u not been banned yet?

**Tony_Montana** · 15/12/2007, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Red4Eva

how have u not been banned yet?

I don't understand why anything i wrote could be offensive to any sane Irish person !

**mypost** · 15/12/2007, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Tony_Montana

better football better stadia. and better atmosphere !

Sorry??

Better football. I take it you mean "Grand Slam Sunday" as the host broadcaster have marketed it? What about Fulham-Derby? Sunderland-Everton, Middlesbrough-West Ham??

Better atmosphere. You're having a laugh, the atmosphere at most EPL games is as much as in a phone box. OT isn't called the "theatre of Silence" for nothing, you know.

Better stadia?

Fulham?? Kip
Everton?? Kip
Villa?? Kip
Portsmouth?? Kip
Blackburn?? Kip
Birmingham?? Kip

Then again, you meant Anfield and OT, didn't you?

**pete** · 15/12/2007, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Tony_Montana

Real Shame that all sports can not be played in this venue, i fear we have taken a step back as a country.

There are many GAA stadiums build on public land with substantial public funding - i suppose if you want to share them.

Good news for Rovers. Should never have delayed in the first place.

**Tony_Montana** · 15/12/2007, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

Sorry??

Better football. I take it you mean "Grand Slam Sunday" as the host broadcaster have marketed it? What about Fulham-Derby? Sunderland-Everton, Middlesbrough-West Ham??

Better atmosphere. You're having a laugh, the atmosphere at most EPL games is as much as in a phone box. OT isn't called the "theatre of Silence" for nothing, you know.

Better stadia?

Fulham?? Kip
Everton?? Kip
Villa?? Kip
Portsmouth?? Kip
Blackburn?? Kip
Birmingham?? Kip

Then again, you meant Anfield and OT, didn't you?

Ewood Park goood ground, Goodison Park Home of the great catholic club of Liverpool great stadia, Anfield great Stadia although to many Irish over there. Old Trafford great Stadia, Villa Park great stadia. What eircom league even gets 7k (about half of the lowest prem crowd this season) ?

I have been in those grounds and they are great stadia. Eircom league is a rubbish league when you compare it to, i would rather go and watch Divsion 2 games than Bray v Shamrock Rovers or Bray v Cobh etc. I have no times for one man and his dog type games !

**DiscoPants** · 15/12/2007, 11:58 AM

TD are considering an appeal. Anyone know what avenues of appeal would be open to them at this stage given that it was a Judicial review?

http://www.setantasports.com/en/Spor...in-locale/gaa/

**OneRedArmy** · 15/12/2007, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Tony_Montana

I have no times for one man and his dog type games !

I have no time for (keyboard) warrior muppets. Shut the door on your way out.

**osarusan** · 15/12/2007, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Tony_Montana

I don't understand why anything i wrote could be offensive to any sane Irish person !

Really??

Originally Posted by Tony_Montana

Are Derry City fans the most boring people on this planet ?

Originally Posted by Tony_Montana

Eircom league is a rubbish league

Originally Posted by Tony_Montana

I have no times for one man and his dog type games !

Well then **** off.

EDIT: It seems the noble warrior has lost his battle against the evildoers at foot.ie and been handed a (hopefully permanent) suspension.

**deFaoite** · 15/12/2007, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by HolylandsMan

Ok then, what other sports have been earmarked to be played in Tallaght? Have they been approached? How many have expressed an interest in using the facilities and how often is it expected that the stadium will be used other than for Shamrock Rover's matches? (Genuine questions)

Junior GAA anyway. Afaik this has been discussed with the local GAA clubs including TD by meetings with SDCC and in Rovers meeting with TD.

The response at the meeting between TD & Rovers was that this was not enough and TD wanted it for inter county games.

Some members of other GAA clubs that I know think it will be a very suitable venue for junior games with the original design. It's relatively small capacity and having the crowd (ok parents!) closer to the action would be better than using a larger senior GAA stadium.

I'm sure that once the ground is finished that we'll see junior GAA in there quickly. Hey, there might even be a Rovers junior GAA team at some stage!

As for how often it will get used. Every other weekend during the season will be free I suppose. Also thanks to the summer league the ground will not be used by Rovers from around November to March which fits very nicely with use by school sports. I don't think SDCC will have a problem filling up the calendar!

Once its built I think we'll see other uses cropping up. For example can you imagine it being converted to an ice rink over Christmas?!

I hope Rovers enjoy the use of the South Dublin County Council's stadium.

I'm sure they will. Just like Roma and Lazio enjoy the use of the Municipality of Rome's stadium, Hammarby do in Stockholm etc. etc. Teams renting grounds off local authorities is very common elsewhere. In Ireland this concept seems strange for some reason.

**passerrby** · 15/12/2007, 12:23 PM

i dont think tallagh would have suited the gaa as it does not facilate easy access to the pitch by the subs , selectors and supporters to the post match attack on the officials and players

**spaceghost** · 15/12/2007, 12:44 PM

well done to rovers, hopfully this great club can at last have the home it deserves.
and shame on the bitter,fashist GAA, for its pathetic carry on.

**sniffa** · 15/12/2007, 2:48 PM

Does anyone know what type of playing surface is planned for the stadium?
If its to be used on a very regular basis then an all-weather surface should be looked at, similar to what Dundalk have.