Rovers Win

**Paddyfield** · 14/12/2007, 6:37 PM

Well done Hoops. Great news for Irish football.

Any links to photos of Tallaght stadium?

No more jokes about ye being homeless now.

**Sam Savic** · 14/12/2007, 6:43 PM

Originally Posted by G-Man

Well done to SRFC, the right result and something which I dont think should have happened in the first place.

One thing I would like to say tho, it wasnt a case of the GAA against the FAI either. It was certain members of a GAA club against the development. Dont be namecalling and showing your own bigotry against whole organisation due to the actions of a small few. It caused huge costs and delays and a lot of arguments what they did, and I dont agree with it one bit, but tar those people with it, not the whole thing.

The Dublin County Bigot Board and President CLG Bigot were fully behind Thomas Bigots in this case.
Did I mention bigot enough there?

**Dodge** · 14/12/2007, 6:50 PM

Looking forward to the new Luas Derby and never having to go to Tolka again

**HolylandsMan** · 14/12/2007, 7:30 PM

Find this interesting, read a thread on a GAA forum titled "Thomas Davis Lose". Glasss half empty i suppose

On that subject, now that this is all over, any chance Rovers could tell their imposter "Dublinfella" to win his neck in.

Fairly pathetic the lengths he went to impersonating a GAA supporter to press Rover's case on a GAA discussion board.

If Thomas Davis go bust because of the legal costs (as manay of you seem to gleefully predict), with the precedent set today they might rise from the ashes, cast off their debt and get a stadium handed to them funded by the public. Ground sharing in Tallaght yet perhaps!

**Sam Savic** · 14/12/2007, 7:50 PM

Originally Posted by HolylandsMan

If Thomas Davis go bust because of the legal costs (as manay of you seem to gleefully predict), with the precedent set today they might rise from the ashes, cast off their debt and get a stadium handed to them funded by the public. Ground sharing in Tallaght yet perhaps!

Where has anyone gleefully predicted that Thomas Bigots would go bust? If you were familiar with this case you would know that that couldn't happen.

Also, statement issued by the bigots tonight, including the Dublin Bigot Board, states that they are considering an appeal. The goalposts have also moved. They want the stadium for inter county matches - even though the judicial review was taken by Thomas Bigots and didn't include, by name at least, the Dublin Bigot Board.

**OneRedArmy** · 14/12/2007, 8:32 PM

Originally Posted by HolylandsMan

On that subject, now that this is all over, any chance Rovers could tell their imposter "Dublinfella" to win his neck in.

Fairly pathetic the lengths he went to impersonating a GAA supporter to press Rover's case on a GAA discussion board.

If Thomas Davis go bust because of the legal costs (as manay of you seem to gleefully predict), with the precedent set today they might rise from the ashes, cast off their debt and get a stadium handed to them funded by the public. Ground sharing in Tallaght yet perhaps!

This is a football board.

TD had the explicit support of the local clubs, the county board and provincial council and the support of a lot of the wider GAA clubs and members in the country for an action that had only one aim which was to prevent soccer being played in Tallaght.

Suggest you pull the splinters out of your arse or change your avatar.

**Kildare Lad** · 14/12/2007, 8:51 PM

Well done Rovers!

**harpstilidie** · 14/12/2007, 8:56 PM

Great news for both the LOI and Rovers!
Congrats!

Looking forward to visiting it in 2009!

**Burny89** · 14/12/2007, 9:26 PM

Great News

**pixiehead** · 14/12/2007, 10:49 PM

I knew this case was on going but i never figured out what TDs argument was. Would someone fill me in breifly if theyve time please and thanks

Well done the Hoops. Another victory for the common Man

**Dr.Nightdub** · 14/12/2007, 10:52 PM

Congratulations Rovers, delighted for youse. Not gonna say "great day for the League" cos it's a great day for Rovers to savour just for themselves - today is THEIR triumph. It'll be a great day for the rest of us when "away to Rovers" means going to Tallaght.

**HolylandsMan** · 14/12/2007, 11:40 PM

Suggest you pull the splinters out of your arse or change your avatar.

I've never particularly hidden the fact that I'm a GAA man first and foremost. Ask Maribor to confirm if you want. That said, I've recently strarted going to, and enjoying, Eircom League soccer.

I'll change the avatar if you want but might I suggest that this sort of attitude towards fans of other sports who might be tempted to taken in EL as a 2nd sport is at least some small part of the reason why Irish soccer is the minority sport it is in this country.

**R�iteoir** · 14/12/2007, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by pixiehead

I knew this case was on going but i never figured out what TDs argument was. Would someone fill me in breifly if theyve time please and thanks

Well done the Hoops. Another victory for the common Man

in a nutshell:

"Some evil exponents of the "British Game" are having the temerity of trying to setup properly in our back yard, corrupting the pure Youth of this Nation, and we want it stopped by any means necessary"

Toys. Pram. Out of.

Also something about being the last men standing

**HolylandsMan** · 14/12/2007, 11:48 PM

I knew this case was on going but i never figured out what TDs argument was. Would someone fill me in breifly if theyve time please and thanks

That, given the unprecedented percentage level of public funding going into Tallaght as supposedly a "community stadium", that it should be used for all sports played in the community, including the GAA and that the pitch dimensions should take account of this.

Otherwise (and as the court has decided), the stadium is effectively for the sole use of Shamrock Rovers. In which case other GAA, soccer and rugby clubs can rightfully wonder what is so special about Rovers and why haven't other clubs had a stadium built for them without having to put in the majority of funds themselves?

And before anybody goes on a Croke Park rant - the GAA funded the majority of the re-development themselves getting government grants towards a project.

The level of government intervention and subvention is this case is entirely unprecedented.

**Dodge** · 15/12/2007, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by HolylandsMan

That, given the unprecedented percentage level of public funding going into Tallaght as supposedly a "community stadium", that it should be used for all sports played in the community, including the GAA and that the pitch dimensions should take account of this.

I'm no Rovers sympathiser BUT "unprecedented levels of public funding" is a ridiculous claim given that the tax payer is paying more towards the "expenses" of GAA players than it will towards the stadium

Otherwise (and as the court has decided), the stadium is effectively for the sole use of Shamrock Rovers. In which case other GAA, soccer and rugby clubs can rightfully wonder what is so special about Rovers and why haven't other clubs had a stadium built for them without having to put in the majority of funds themselves?

The ground is not for the sole use of Shamrock Rovers. They will be the main tenant but they are limited in the amount of games they play there. The rest will be decided by the Council

The level of government intervention and subvention is this case is entirely unprecedented.

The government made ONE decision, and that was to agree to a proposal set to them by South Dublin County Council. All they did after that was effectively, stand their ground.

**Billy Lord** · 15/12/2007, 1:19 AM

Originally Posted by HolylandsMan

I've never particularly hidden the fact that I'm a GAA man first and foremost. Ask Maribor to confirm if you want. That said, I've recently strarted going to, and enjoying, Eircom League soccer.

I'll change the avatar if you want but might I suggest that this sort of attitude towards fans of other sports who might be tempted to taken in EL as a 2nd sport is at least some small part of the reason why Irish soccer is the minority sport it is in this country.

You're more than welcome at football, I'm delighted you enjoy it, but the GAA practices sporting apartheid on a daily basis throughout Ireland and that carries an obvious cache, no matter how much people try to ignore that reality.
No other sport has rules such as the GAA's that forbid the playing of so-called 'foreign' games on their hallowed turf.
By the way, football isn't a minority sport in Ireland. It's quite the opposite.

**Billy Lord** · 15/12/2007, 1:28 AM

Originally Posted by HolylandsMan

That, given the unprecedented percentage level of public funding going into Tallaght as supposedly a "community stadium", that it should be used for all sports played in the community, including the GAA and that the pitch dimensions should take account of this.

Otherwise (and as the court has decided), the stadium is effectively for the sole use of Shamrock Rovers. In which case other GAA, soccer and rugby clubs can rightfully wonder what is so special about Rovers and why haven't other clubs had a stadium built for them without having to put in the majority of funds themselves?

And before anybody goes on a Croke Park rant - the GAA funded the majority of the re-development themselves getting government grants towards a project.

The level of government intervention and subvention is this case is entirely unprecedented.

And if you know anything about the grants system, you must realise that you're talking rubbish. Most clubs get 80-90% funding if they play it right. Therefore you're just being bitter over less than 10% in the case of Shamrock Rovers, whose current board would have gladly gone the normal route if allowed because the club would've been able to maximise potential income from that site.
No doubt the Dubs would return all grants if they made a killing from selling Parnell Park for 1000% of its cost.

**deFaoite** · 15/12/2007, 1:34 AM

Originally Posted by HolylandsMan

If Thomas Davis go bust because of the legal costs (as manay of you seem to gleefully predict), with the precedent set today they might rise from the ashes, cast off their debt and get a stadium handed to them funded by the public. Ground sharing in Tallaght yet perhaps!

You're not too familiar with the case I take it. The guarantors given to the club at the start of the hearing were individuals not the GAA club.

**deFaoite** · 15/12/2007, 1:45 AM

Originally Posted by HolylandsMan

That, given the unprecedented percentage level of public funding going into Tallaght as supposedly a "community stadium", that it should be used for all sports played in the community, including the GAA and that the pitch dimensions should take account of this.

I can't decide if you're winding us up or just believe all the GAA propaganda? :-)

All sports? Where does the athletics track go? Oh that's right you can't fit a senior GAA pitch into an athletics track. So the all sports argument really just means intercounty GAA.

Rovers get to use the ground for 40 games a year, and have to pay for it though sharing advertising revenue. SDCC own and run the ground so they decide who uses it the rest of the time. Other soccer teams, junior GAA, junior rugby, whatever game can use the area will be able to apply to SDCC to use it.

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**Billy Lord** · 15/12/2007, 1:59 AM

Originally Posted by HolylandsMan

That, given the unprecedented percentage level of public funding going into Tallaght as supposedly a "community stadium", that it should be used for all sports played in the community, including the GAA and that the pitch dimensions should take account of this.

Otherwise (and as the court has decided), the stadium is effectively for the sole use of Shamrock Rovers. In which case other GAA, soccer and rugby clubs can rightfully wonder what is so special about Rovers and why haven't other clubs had a stadium built for them without having to put in the majority of funds themselves?

And before anybody goes on a Croke Park rant - the GAA funded the majority of the re-development themselves getting government grants towards a project.

The level of government intervention and subvention is this case is entirely unprecedented.

I could be here all night responding to you. A community stadium is - by definition - a stadium that can be accessed and used by the public, so its primary or ultimate function is irrelevant once it's got a relatively open door policy. Therefore its dimensions need not be big enough to facilitate senior GAA games, although it must be said that the Tallaght stadium will facilitate junior GAA games and Shamrock Rovers welcomes such activity.
You mention 'all sports'. What about athletics? A running track can't fit into a GAA-sized facility. And how about swimming, cricket or Horseracing?
I'd welcome a handball alley on the site. It's a great Irish sport that the GAA have ignored for decades but as there's no money in it they've chosen to let it become virtually redundant. Hurling - another great game - is shamefully neglected and is dying.
God almighty, where would we be without the GAA.