QuoteHe now has to win Florida as failure there will mean no momentum going into Super Tuesday.Originally Posted by Aberdonian Stu
BTW Ron Paul was 4th in Michigan with almost same votes as Thompson (he should be gone next week) & Guiliani.
The GOP race could go right the way to the convention, especially if Giuliani takes Florida. That would make for an intriguing battle.
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He now has to win Florida as failure there will mean no momentum going into Super Tuesday.
BTW Ron Paul was 4th in Michigan with almost same votes as Thompson (he should be gone next week) & Guiliani.
Well boys and girls, it didn't take long for this race to get very very very nasty.
In the last few days we have seen:
1. A contrived non existent "race war" between Hillary and Obama - total nonsense fuelled by bloggers and Fox News. The sub text is very clear - use the word race as much as possible to weaken Obama's and Hill's chances in November.
2 At the Dems debate the other night, Brian Williams (who should know better) confronted Obama with some internet rumours - specifically that he was secretly Muslim and that he actually swore oaths of office on the Koran. Fox News repeated this last night on that incubus Gibson's show with the obligatory extremely cute blonde for political cover adding (I am not making this up) "..Koran and that he is actually a radical Islam extremist". That other objectionable blonde, Monica Crowley explained why this was sticking "...because is middle name is Hussein and we have seen this name before......"
3 Fox then interviewed a guy called Jonah Goldberg whose new book (again not making this up) is called Liberal Fascism. He got the puff softball interview from FNC whose interview consisted of the likes of "..tell me the secret to your success..". Interestingly, John Stewart had him on the Daily Show, aired an hour earlier where Stewart easily made him look like a babbling idiot. Basically the guys premise is that Hillary is racist and liberalism in the US is actually progressivism (whatever that is) which has its roots with Mussolini and Hitler. I am not making this up:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...jonah-goldberg
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Liberal-Fasc...0651472&sr=8-1
4 Meanwhile on the GOP side the knives are out for McCain - FNC are repeating the "black baby" story of 2000 and now he is being Swift - boated. Some guy saying his war heroism is a fake. That total git Neil Cavuto had a pop at Hillary, Obama and McCain last night in his "personal view".
Irrespective of who gets the Dems nomination, this race until November is going to be lethal and probably the dirtiest we have ever seen. Prepare for 2000 all over again because if Hill or Obama look likely to win, the stuff that went on in Florida before the election in 2000 will look like Wanderley Wagin in comparison.
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DB Cooper is alive !
You go to sleep one night in the week and all this happens!
It looks right nasty now - the Democrats could roast themselves á la the French socialists. Fox look like controlling the GOP nom unfortunately, so McCain could get blitzed, though I do think that the Mid-American swing voter will pull towards him if it is a choice between him and a shattered Obama. A wrecked Clinton would struggle against Romney or Huckabee, but might nobble McCain. This allow a preceived neutral like Edwards or (heaven between us and) Ron Paul to have a good Super Tuesday and come through as an apparently solid if unspectacular candidate.
Oh! for an Irish John Stewart
That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
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See Daily Show on Fox News's use of questions on their running board eg 'Is your mother a whore' question, hilarious
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Looks like McCain could struggle going forward as he seems to attract more support from Independents than his own party. Guiliani could come back into it but seems Romney is the choice of GOP establishment. Might make interesting viewing seeing Republicans tear lumps off each other for a change
Watching th Daily Show earlier this week & Romney saying he improved Boston roads (previously the worst) as credited by Trucker Magazine
Clinton is clearly the choice of the Democrat establishment & would think strong favourite
clinton has a high negative and would only win the presidency by the skin of her teeth after a dirty battle. obama would have a better chance of putting the republicans away because of the youth vote and independents.
they are really sinking their teeth into mccain now with leaflets in south carolina saying he ratted out his fellow prisoners . just like john kerry even your exemplary military record is unsafe.
long way to go , guiliani takes florida and he becomes the front runner going into super tuesday, wonder if we will see a broker convention on either side ?
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. Recent polls in north east Florida have folks leaning towards Huckabee for the thugs and Obama for the Dems. The rest of the state has McCain for the thugs and Hillary for the Dems.
Did you ever notice that in every painting of Adam & Eve, they have belly buttons. Think about that...take as long as you want.
I had a feeling Romney wouldn't do well there, alright - this would be essentially the first real McCain - Huckabee standoff: could be a lot of political fun, Do the Bush family still have a lot of political clout there?
That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Help me, Arthur Murphy, you're my only hope!
Thanks to Dubya, no. However, his brother Jeb, the former Governor of Florida remains popular, mainly due to his legislation to protect the Everglades and his opposition to drilling for oil off the Florida coast.
Did you ever notice that in every painting of Adam & Eve, they have belly buttons. Think about that...take as long as you want.
Stewart's been having some excellent moments since he came back without his writers (due to the strike) - a real sign of natural wit and intelligence.
His interview with former Bush speechwriter David Frum was great - http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...tle=david-frum - Stewart makes the analogy of Huckabee as Ned Flanders, a decent guy but the public prefers Homer which leads to this exchange
Frum: I don't think we want President Homer
Stewart: We have President Homer.
Its already been reported on Sirius Radio that the caging of votes has already started in some states.
Well, haven't had time to investigate it, but Romney and Clinton took Nevada, while McCain took South Carolina over Huckabee. Any word other than headlines?
It looks to me like Romney's strategy is to attempt to win everywhere, and hopefully accumulate the smaller states and go into Super Tuesday with a lead while Huckabee and McCain are really targetting their campaigns at influential states.
It's a big win for Clinton - Obama managed to pick up 45% and still lost - major morale boost there. Edwards wiped out to 4 %. Not boding well for him in South Carolina.
That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Help me, Arthur Murphy, you're my only hope!
Didn't Obama actually pick up more delegates in Nevada then Hilary though? AJAIK Nevada is allocated 25 delegates, and from what I heard this morning Obama got 13 compared to Hilarys 12 due to his votes being more spread out. Not 100% certain of this but thats what I heard on the Obama grapevine this morning
Clinton was projected to win by 20, so Obama done better than expected to get within 6 points.
There is difference between 13 & 12 delegates when need 2,000 or so to win the Democrats nomination. The early stages are all very small but headlines create momentum as people like to vote for winners.
McCain is being touted as the Republican leader but I don't think anything between himself Romney & Huckabee. Will be interesting to see where Thompsons votes go when he withdraws as expected. Last poll I saw had Guiliani 3rd in Florida so he is in big trouble
Thompson and McCain are basically "buddies". Before the South Carolina primary Thompson got up infront of the crowd and ripped into every stance Huckabee was taking. And the only thing he mentioned in relation to McCain was his stance on immigration. Thompson basically won that primary for McCain, by splitting the evangelical vote.
When Thompson pulls out, I really can't see his votes going anywhere else but to McCain.
They have done two Nationalwide mock Presidential votes here & shows McCain beat both Obama & Clinton. It is very early though so not sure what it means.
Will be interesting to see first poll without Thompson. Could never understand why he running anyway as very quiet. At 4 months (he joined in September last) must be one of the shortest campaigns.
The way its shaping up it looks like Hilary will win the Democratic nomination and get hammered in the Presidentials. Her tactics may be getting the post menopause vote, but it's gonna split the Democrats, I mean I really can't see Obama or Edwards people going to the polls to support the old hag the way she's acting. Here's to 4 more years of Republicanism!
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