My head hurtsOriginally Posted by Ambaiste!
not surprising they get claims of rigged votes and stuff. with a system that complicated it has to be prone to errors and/or vote rigging
Was watching CNN last night and they had Ari Fleischer (remember him? Bushes ex-WhiteHouse Press Scretary) on as a panellist. He said that the Republicans were "hoping and praying" that Clinton would get the nomination. Says it all for me really.
Just checked BBC there, the delegate count is narrowing Clinton 783, Obama 709.
Last edited by dancinpants; 06/02/2008 at 4:22 PM.
MSN now giving it as: Barack Obama 838, Hillary Clinton 834
CNN is 811:720, Fox 845:765, CBS 974:906. They're all over the shop.
Just heard the voter turn outs for last night:
10 million Democrat to 6 million Republican. Take into account that Democratic turnout in Iowa, South Carolina, and New Hampshire were through the roof too. So I seriously doubt that ANY Republican ticket will "walk" the general election in November. Also interesting to note, that alot of registered Republicans (albeit moderates) spoke of wanting to vote for Obama - but because its only Primaries and Caucases' you're only allowed to vote for the party with which you are registered....that won't be the case when the general election swings around.
No doubt Obama is getting a lot of first time voters out as well as people who may have been disillusioned with the system in past years (and who could blame them given the choice in the last two races). But if Hillary ends up getting the Democratic nomination, as I have a feeling she might, the question is where will these Obama voters go? Hillary is a very polarising figure within her own party, and with McCain positioning himself towards the left of the Republican party (to the extent that such a thing exists!), he could well nick a few of the independants who have been bolstering Obama's vote to a large extent up to now.
Thats the $64,000 question. However, if this is a commonly held believe within the Democratic party as a whole (that Hillary is divisive and polarizing), it may well benefit Obama when it comes time for the "super delegates" to make up there minds should it go to the Convention in Denver.
I disagree with this. The time is approaching fast where McCain will have to make his peace with the rest of the Republican Party. In order to do this he has to position himself further to the RIGHT from where he currently stands. Yes if he where to take on Huckabee as a running mate, it would help, but in order to project an image of some form of party unity, he'll have to lean further right.
Last edited by dancinpants; 06/02/2008 at 11:36 PM.
Huckabee has not proven he can win the south for McCain who I don't feel would be that strong there with a different VP.
I think Obama is getting a free ride by the media who love to hate Clinton even if she brought some of it on herself. If you look at the results of the big important states (relevant for Presidential election too) Clinton beat Obama by at least 10% which is wider than expected. Obama is winning all the caucuses (7 out of 7 on Tuesday) including all those Bible Belt states with all the white folks.
I've done a quick bit of research there and things are a bit brighter for Barack than I thought.
Obama won more delegates from the vote on Super Tuesday than Billary.
If primarys (doubtfully) go roughly as predicted then it should continue with Clinton losing most (smaller) states but winning the big guns like Pensylvania, maybe not Louisiana.
It will come down to superdelegates.
Hillary has more delegates at the moment due to having far more pledges from superdelegates.
So it'll come down to these guys.
It might be very embarassing for superdelegates to go against the popular vote and don't forget they're liable to change aswell.
So what will it be Mr. Gore?
City definetly have the best bands playing at half-time.
O'Bama - "Eerah yeah, I'd say we can alright!"
G.O'Mahoney Trapattoni'll sort ém out!!
I heard that O'Neills on Suffolk Street has some kind of absentee polling station in it. Can anyone confirm whether this is true or not?
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Ya, those Fox and CBS pages show the current totals nationwide including the current delarations of various superdelegates.
The CNN page call Super Tuesday but also includes the superdelegates.
It states that it is an estimate but hasn't changed all day.
The MSNBC link shows the results of the voting at the polls yesterday.
Hillary led before super tuesday and she leads after it.
If you include the Dem.Party VIPs who'll support her at the convention, she won Super Tuesday.
If you look at what the polling booths returned, Obama won.
Super Tuesday was most certainly a dead heat in real terms.
They've a few thousand more votes to count in New Mexico where there's 110 votes between the pair.
Last edited by Risteard; 07/02/2008 at 2:15 AM.
City definetly have the best bands playing at half-time.
O'Bama - "Eerah yeah, I'd say we can alright!"
G.O'Mahoney Trapattoni'll sort ém out!!
Yes, O'Neills of Suffolk St D2, ( continuation of NassauSt./Clare St. towards Westland Row) is where the Dublin Democrats hold their meetings. The offices and residency of the American University is up the road and Trinity is left, right and behind the pub.
Article from some e-paper.
http://www.enn.ie/article/10123834.html
"...
The Irish primary commences on Tuesday 5 February, which is also 'Super Tuesday' in the US when 24 states hold their primaries. A polling station will be open from 10am to 10pm in O'Neill's on Suffolk St in Dublin on that day for any voters wishing to participate in person. Online voting continues until 12 February...."
It is likely the journalist noted in the by-line also posts regularly on this forum.
Home Page of Democrats Abroads mentioned in above article.
http://www.democratsabroad.org/countries
Irish page of Democrats abroad.
http://www.democratsabroad.org/group/ireland
I know you didn't mean to be insulting when you asked about the ".. kind of absentee polling station.." but its fortunate for those voters who are affected by decisions, to have an opputunity to participate in the election of those that represent them.
" I'll go right up to here,
it can't possibly hurt.
All they will find is my
beer and my shirt."
It had one yes. Democrats Abroad Ireland set one up for expat Dems living in Ireland, the official result isn't going to be out for a couple of weeks but they definitely hammered all previous records for turnout. Online voting is still ongoing and the votes from this will be combined with Tuesday's ballot.
The votes from this will go forward to the European regional caucus of the Dems Abroad which will then subsequently go forward to the Global Caucus which will be held in Vancouver. The 22 (I think) delegates selected at this will go forward to the Democratic National Convention.
EDIT: More info here (in the interest of full disclosure I wrote this).
Last edited by Aberdonian Stu; 07/02/2008 at 3:42 PM.
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What are views on different running mate combinations.
How confirmed or official is the McCain/ Giuliani ticket?
During the republican Causases and Primaries, Mike Huckabee seems to be soaking up a lot of the southern and southern thinking states.
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008....huckabee.html
He ran McCain a close second in at least SC and MO
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008...ults/state/#SC
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008.../state/#val=MO
Is he a viable candidate as a V.P. running-mate? I believe he would suit McCain better than he would suit Romney.
And of course for the Democrats, will Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton come together. Jack Cafferty of CNN on this combination.
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/20...n-same-ticket/
Has John Edwards had a little of his arguement eroded as running mate, as there is an increased turnout voting for Democrats, including what I consider staggering gender figures sometimes over 60-40 of women democratic voters turning out.
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008.../state/#val=GA
Any gender spread of 55 per cent or over is vast.
I believe an Obama/ Clinton ticket will put the Democrats over the line. I believe the USA is still a very divided country and most of the votes will fall the same way as the last two Presdential elections. But if everyone in the States was described as their Gender and Race, then everyone is part of a minority and that ticket simple captures enough of the four main Gender/Race types. By adding the downturn in economy and difsavour with some foreign policy and it continues to fall the Democrats way.
Apologies for using the same source (CNN) but must of the links are regarding actual votes and voter profile.
I accept I'm asking this question early.
" I'll go right up to here,
it can't possibly hurt.
All they will find is my
beer and my shirt."
That's true and he will do this but only up to a point. I'd say he was hoping to seal the nomination on Super Tuesday, but as this didn't happen, he's had to re-assess things and play to the conservatives, many of whom still favour Romney over both Huckabee and McCain. However, if he does get the nomination in the coming weeks (which he will, barring a complete catastrophe), I think he'll revert to type. In a general election situation, no conservative Republican will vote for Clinton or Obama anyway, so to adopt a rigid conservative line would serve merely to alienate non-aligned potential voters, as well as liberal and moderate Republicans, who could certainly be swayed by Obama if not Clinton.
I don't see Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket as viable as could not see either of them being happy to be VP especially Hillary given winner is going to win by short head.
McCain might like to pair up with his buddy Guiliani but he is a serious liability given how poorly he polled even in Florida where the old New Yorkers retire.
I know what yer sayin' Pete - there'd be definitely a clash of ego's, and they are BIG ego's. But I've a feeling it might be different after the nomination is announced. One of them will come back to earth with a bang when faced with the prospect of all that campaigning and nothing to show for it - thus making a VP slot a very appealing way of staying in the limelight. TBH, if the bit comes to the bit, I don't think either of them would turn down the VP position if offered after the convention.
As for Giulliani, it would be dream come true for the Democratic ticket if he ended up being McCains running mate - right now I can't see that happening.
INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT: http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0207/uselection.html
Romney suspending his campaign
Last edited by dancinpants; 07/02/2008 at 4:30 PM.
What do you mean in "Real Terms"?.
update on NM, 123 votes in it. 99 per cent counted. Processing result ongoing
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008...ults/state/#NM
Edwards over 2000 votes........ Richardson 1211. Fair Play.
Aberdeen Stu why does it take a debate in Support and a complaint to the moderators to get you to behave. If you read the previous post you would of seen that your article was already linked and a note stating it was from someone on this forum. You chose to ignore all of that and go straight for your article. Spamming it here on Foot.ie. For shame, you will always be a Journalist. What other articles are you going to Spam for us?
Its true, that's where they go to die. But maybe half the reason to move to Florida was to get away from Giuliani.McCain might like to pair up with his buddy Guiliani but he is a serious liability given how poorly he polled even in Florida where the old New Yorkers retire.
Dates in the calendar Romney is missing.INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT: http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0207/uselection.html
Romney suspending his campaign
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/path.presidency/
March, April are further linked.
It will be interesting to see what sort of numbers Romney gets in the upcoming Primaries as his name will still be on the ballot.
Guiliani got 5 per cent in California, he's got to be happy with that.
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008.../state/#val=CA
" I'll go right up to here,
it can't possibly hurt.
All they will find is my
beer and my shirt."
If you like number crunching CNN has a great sector which breaks down the Fund Raising Numbers per candidate, Party & even State.
McCain is lucky he can save some cash as doesn't have much to start with. I wonder would he sell Romney the VP because if he wins VP gets run at Presidency in 4 years time. If Romney had not been tanked by Huckabee on Tuesday might have been possible.
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