QuoteGot to Faux News
If Romney wins California it is not over yet.
Not worth stay up for as no definitive time for results.
Huckabee has won West Virginia. McCain supporters voted for him to block Romney taking the delegates.
Last edited by Poor Student; 06/02/2008 at 7:44 AM.
Got to Faux News
If Romney wins California it is not over yet.
Not worth stay up for as no definitive time for results.
Obama takes Georgia according to exit polls
Any word on the breakdown as Obama was way ahead in the polls? Polls have been accurate for straight Primaries its just the caucuses & Primary where Independents can vote in either election that too hard to call.Originally Posted by jebus
California is the closes big state for both sides.
Huckabee not happy with Huckabee/McCain "backroom deal" in West Virginia according to Faux News.
Last edited by pete; 05/02/2008 at 11:17 PM.
No breakdown yet, CNN said Obama clearly won it, no question, scratch that Obama won 64-30, with 6% uncounted, no word on the Republican vote yet. Obama takes 12 delegates to 5 from Georgia
EDIT: They have McCain on 36% with Romney and Huckabee on 30 each from Georgia, with Ron Paul taking 4%, these figures are unconfirmed though
EDIT 2: They now have Obama 56-38 Clinton from Georgia
Last edited by jebus; 05/02/2008 at 11:55 PM.
The have early exit polls showing
Conneticut: McCain
Massachusetts: Romney and Obama
Illinois: McCain and Obama
Oklahoma: Clinton
New Jersey: McCain
Arkansas: Huckabee and Clinton
Tennessee: Clinton
Georgia: Obama
Delaware: McCain and Obama
New York: Clinton and McCain
with the rest to follow shortly
looks like Huckabee is taking Romney down with him tonight, I reckon they'll give the nomination to McCain by this toime tomorrow
Last edited by jebus; 06/02/2008 at 1:21 AM.
I'd say it'll be futile attempting to decipher any pattern from democratic primaries for another 4 or 5 hours.
City definetly have the best bands playing at half-time.
O'Bama - "Eerah yeah, I'd say we can alright!"
G.O'Mahoney Trapattoni'll sort ém out!!
From the looks of it McCain will win the Republican nomination tonight but the Democrat one will drag on fo another few weeks
Hmmm I dunno. Calling Arkansas for her now aswell. Shes polling very well in Missouri, Massachusetts. EDIT: Massachusetts / New Jersey now called for Clinton.
Last edited by dancinpants; 06/02/2008 at 1:50 AM.
Exit polls think Romney took 90% of Utah, surprise surprise.
Very tight in the Democratic nominations, winning California might just swing it for Hilary, I haven't seen the breakdown of the exit polls yet though
Clinton leads now by 100 delegates & she won all the big states bar Illinois & Clorado. I haven't seen the percentages yet. I think Obamas days are numbered as Clinton
Huckabee did very well winning 5 southern states probably increasing his chances of VP deal as McCain could struggle there in the Presidential election.
well the delegate count isn't in yet, just looked up California and Hilary is running 42 to Obama's 23, so if we can keep that type of spread I don't think he's out yet. In Hilary's home state of Arkansas she only won 2 extra delegates.
Plus you have to keep in mind that at the turn of the year Hilary was up to 20 (and sometimes more) points ahead in a lot of states that she barely won last night, and some she lost.
Romney should give it up though, McCain has won that nomination
Last edited by jebus; 06/02/2008 at 10:39 AM.
Clinotn leads by 80 called delegates, not 100.
McCain/Huckabee is a very strong pairing if they decide to go with that. The Democrats are in danger of tearing each other to pieces although they seemed to have calmed down in the last week or so.
Delegate totals seem to vary between the different news organisations but maybe this because voting not completed?
CNN have Clinton ahead 193 to 106 on the "Super Delegates" (Democratic officeholders and party officials guaranteed national convention seats; can support the candidate of their choice.) which I think make up about 20% of the convention delegates. In a tight race that is a significant number but it is open to question how they gather that information & they could also change their minds yet I suppose.
I think Clinton still has the party establishment & interest groups such as the trade unions on her side. This might change if they get concerned about Clinton match up against McCain as clearly Obama has more widespread appeal across Independents.
Full Breakdown of Results. Weird results as in some states candidates gets more delegates for significantly less votes.
Last edited by pete; 06/02/2008 at 12:11 PM.
Whats the difference there though? The Democrats have done this to each other since '72, only briefly deciding not to tear apart Bill Clinton in 1991/92 (a lot of them would have liked to by reports I've read). I mean when you look at the roll call of some of the people the DNP have torn down because the candidate wasn't to their liking, McGovern and Kerry not getting party support to bring down two of the most unpopular presidents of the modern era, and even Al Gore not getting the full Democratic bandwagon rolling behind him in 2000 (forget about Florida and recounts, Bush and the Republicans should never have been in a position to challenge Gore, and wouldn't have been if the party stood firmly nehind Gore).
I think more and more it's looking like a Republican victory in November, especially when you have Hilary completely alienating Obama's supporters (I doubt the majority of them would vote for her after her antics in the primaries), and Obama threatening to rip up the status quo (McGovern promised the same in '72 and got trounced by the universally hated Richard Nixon after the Demorcatic party left him out to dry to protect their own skins), I can see a McCain/Huckabee ticket walking the nationals
Agreed I should have said tearing each other apart again but my basic point was the same as your a MCCain/Huckabee tickets presents a very strong partnership with a very wide appeal from the bible belt to the War mongers. My only reservation at this stage is that the US seems to want "change" what ever that may be. Does McCain as president give them that?
He's painted a good picture for himself as a liberal conservative, albeit pro-Iraq war, and many people see him as that, especially when they hear the bible belt dislike him. Sad thing in this day and age is that he is anything but a liberal conservative when you actually look at his policies, but I doubt most people will do that before voting
Personally I think McCain would rather a McCain/Giulliani ticket, but will be persuaded to go with Huckabee if it gets him into the White House
It seems that way at first glance alright but I think (and I'm open to correction here) that this probably has something to do with the different kinds of primaries / caucuses held in each state. For example, two states with the same population will have the same number of delegates to send to the National Convention. However, if one of these sates holds an open primary (where Republicans, Democrats and Independants can all vote) and the other a closed primary (where only registered Democrats / Republicans can vote), then the former will have less delegates per voter. Of course, plain old voter turnout can produce a similar effect but usually not to such a great degree.
The Democratic process is complicated further in that the allocation of delegates is tied to Congressional precincts, so that, in Missouri for example, you see Obama winning by 2%, yet losing out 16 - 5 to Clinton in terms of delegates. This is because Obama's support was concentrated in 2 or 3 heavily populated counties in and around St. Louis, while Hillary swept the far more sparsely populated rural counties accross State. This is intended to nullify certain geographical cleavages, which often co-incide with racial and social imbalances.
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