Originally Posted by jebus
Bills causing much of the damage, running his mouth off at every opportunity. As Obama said at the last debate, he doesn't know which Clinton he's supposed to be running against. The Clintons dirty camaign certainly smacks of a desperation for power. But as you hinted to jebus the Republicans will certainly lap it up if she gets the nod, and THEN she'll know what dirty campaigning is all about.
Bill Breaking News: Clinton to run for President
Did not see that coming!!!
Um, the Onion?
Will the phrase "Popular satirical comedy website 'The Onion' " help?
On the way into the stadium, an elderly San Marino Steward waved us in and said "Tonight, may the best team win"
And they nearly did.
Pretty big win by Obama over Hilary in South Carolina (55% - 27%), considering people felt Hilary might be able to eat into his 15 point lead last week and possibly show him up by making it a tightish contest it represents a huge show of support for Barack. He needed to get this boost going into Super Tuesday, although I think this election has shown that Hilary has the numbers to gain the nomination if they come out for her. Still don't think she'll be able to bring Obama (or Edward's) supporters onto her side if she does however
The more I look at this, the more impressive the Dems candidates get and the worse the GOP gets.
How anybody could think that Romney is presidential material is staggering but there is an interesting dilemma - he is easy to beat but Dems classically do not like doing the things that are necessary to beat people like this i.e. make him look ridiculous and show him up for the vacuous hairdo that he is.
Their concern is that that tactic will play in NY and Californai but not in Armpit Utah.
We may have said this before but this is a truly amazing race......
DB Cooper is alive !
Obama was always going to win South Carolina but he 10-20 behind in Florida, New York & California. Hard to see him winning outright without getting something from them.
Huckabee is starting to fade & Guiliani well behind in Florida so could be straight shoot out between McCain & Romney after Super Tuesday.
But Florida is pointless - they were stripped of their delegates. Clinton can win by as much as she wants but its worth little to her, other than to maybe give her a morale boost.
True to an extent but not a delegate race at this stage anyway. Its all about momentum & media exposure. Sure Clinton won the popular vote in Nevada but Obama got more delegates. If it was just about delegates no one would even visit Iowa.
Average latest polls.
California: Clinton 48:34
New York: Clinton 56:28
Colorado: Obama 34:32
Obama needs a swing as he also behind in Mass & New Jersey although he does lead in Illinois.
Kennedy endorsement seems to be a big deal as up to now Clinton had the establishment support.
Looks like Ginger McCain is now locked for the GOP, barring a misstep or horrendous poll errors on Super Tuesday.
The question is whether this changes the intentions of the Dems - McCain for the GOP puts the South back on the table - states like Arkansaw, Nevada, Ohio, Florida, which Bush won close, will now be up for grabs because the freak show element of the GOP won't turn out for Ginger.
Having said that, the classic dem states like NY, NJ might be takeable fro Ginger as he is, in effect a Dem - amazing stuff.
For more on how this plays, watch the West Wing final series.
The good news is that somebody as odious as Romney now looks like he has shot his bolt.
DB Cooper is alive !
More of Hilary's dirty tactics as she tries to the get the DNC to give Michigan and Florida it's delegates back, despite her signing up to the non-campaigning, no delegates ruling back in November. Whatever about Florida, but saying she should get her delegates for her 'win' in Michigan (where Obama took his name off the voting list as agreed, Hilary, unsurprisingly, forgot to) is ridiculous and cannot be upheld by the DNC. in fairness to them they have said that they will not backtrack on Florida or Michigan, but it makes me wonder who Hilary will try and alienate next?
It seems a four way race now, down from six. Edwards is unlikely to get the nom despite being the best option of the three leading Democrat candidates. Huckabee is trailing a bit too much to do much better than pick up the odd state on Super Tuesday.
The way I see it (possibly skewed, but how as ever), Romney would destroy Clinton, but possibly lose to Obama. McCain would probably defeat Obama, as they rely on a lot of the same vote and stand on similar podia, but would have difficulties against Clinton as she would come across as more democrat than thou.
McCain would beat Clinton with the crazy move of having Obama on board - don't think it can't happen.
I said "seems" earlier with good reason, as I think that there is a possible fifth candidate. What may or may not tilt everything is the possible emergence of Bloomberg as a third / non party candidate. He'd face his toughest opponent of the other four in Romney - I think that he speaks the rhetoric of Obama and McCain far better, and Clinton would appear too divisive against him. Romney is a far more popular guy with ordinary Americans though, and his base is less likely to suffer from a split of vote in such a case. If Bloomberg were to take as his veep any of the four candidates, you might seem him do more than just split things...
That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Help me, Arthur Murphy, you're my only hope!
Edwards pulling out apparantly, he's due to make an announcement at 6pm our time
Not surprising, now all that remains is who he will throw his weight behind. Could have major impact on how Tuesday goes. Could he be picked as a running mate again I wonder. Looks like that Rudy will drop out soon as well.
It would be a major shock if he sided with Hilary to be fair
Last edited by jebus; 30/01/2008 at 4:26 PM.
Pete I think we can for the most part forget about reading into poll numbers too much at this point. Its been shown at this stage that in states where Obama actually campaigns he has been able to shrink the Clinton "lead" in a huge way. And it very much IS a delegate race at this point, as all the talk at the moment is of the likelihood of the race going to a Democratic Convention to choose the nominee....and as you know thats ALL about delegates.
In what sense? I know he's against the mainline Republican stance on immigration and tax cuts but thats as far is it goes from what I can see. He's staunchly pro-life, staunchly pro-war...I really wouldn't label him as democratic in any great sense.
It IS surprising given that after the S.C primary he was adamant he was in it for the "long haul" - saying it on several ocassions. Makes me wonder if there was a bit of "deal making" going on in the background. A kind of "Here John, you drop out now, endorse me, give me your delegates and I'll see to it your on my ticket if I'm nominated" deal.
Or maybe he looked at his bank account.
Just reading msn.com they said:
The plot thickensFour in 10 Edwards supporters said their second choice in the race is Clinton, while a quarter prefer Obama, according to an Associated Press-Yahoo poll conducted late this month. Both Clinton and Obama would welcome Edwards’ backing and the support of the 56 delegates he had collected.
Last edited by dahamsta; 30/01/2008 at 6:06 PM.
SIGNATURESCOPE
I kind of liked Edwards but his "son of a plumber/carpenter/whatever" gets annoying. He is clearing look for a deal from Clinton or Obama quiting so close to Super Dooper Tuesday.
Breaking News: Guliani Out. Endorses McCain!!!
I think the makes McCain likeable knowing Guiliani to get a role if he is President.
anyone else staying up for Super Tuesday tonight (well as much as you can anyway)? Looking very tight between Hilary and Obama at the moment and since the momentum is with Obama I think he could sneak a few wins tonight, especially if Oprah is able to win over some of the female support
I'll stick SkyNews on around Midnight and if it's any way exciting I'll stay up. not getting much sleep this week with all the American events!
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