Protest against Venables?

**geysir** · 05/12/2007, 6:45 PM

Your account was deleted as it was inactive as highlighted (*Please note dormant accounts and those with no posts will be periodically deleted) in the activation email you received.

AFAIA the account to chatsoccer.eu was never activated and for sure, as sure as I can be, I never got an activation email, evident also as in I could never log on.
I tried around the time that Tets first started up his Irish abroad page.
I can always try to register again.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 05/12/2007, 9:36 PM

Originally Posted by Bondvillain

Spot on. We may as well hang a sign over the country saying

"CAN'T AFFORD JOSE. WILLING HAS-BEENS PLS Q HERE - SMALL WAGES BUT CRAIC LEVEL : 90"

Defeatist attitudes permeate throughout the footballing fraternity here, from the very top down, so much so , that now we believe that nations of a similar quality are more entitled to a world class manager than we are.

The first step to convincing a Jose or a Scolari or a Capello that we are contenders is to stop faffing around massaging the egos of Has-beens like Kendall and shameless joyriders like Venables and approach the very best saying "We believe you are the man to lead our squad of players to the world cup. Here's our proposal, what exactly can we do to make you take this job?

We may well be blown out of the water come salary negotiation time, but way things are going, it seems like the FAI are perfectly happy never to find that out, & I have no idea why.

Dammit it'd better than what we're currently saying : "We have no manager. Who's unemployed and desperate? Perhaps we should wait until Finland, England , Scotland, South Korea etc etc etc ad infinitum have hired a manager, so we can have our choice of the 20th best unemployed Managers in the world, eh?"

The "Ah sure, we're only Ireland, why would anyone good come here?" attitude annoys the hole off me. The job is there, the potential for qualifying is there, and I firmly believe that, for the right man, the money is there.

The only drawback is that the FAI are there too, and since their bollockology seems to be causing all the problems we're having regarding "world class selection teams", their unwillingness to do a balls-out, teeth bared old fashioned headhunt, the usual level of executive interference, and generally, being gobshytes, they are the main obsticle to appointing a world class manager.

POTM nomination from me....

Juanace, why can't we get Marcello Lippi or Fabio Capello?
And if you don't ask them you shall never know. We can pay them with the FAI's new found largesse thanks to playing home games in a 70,000+ capacity stadium instead of a 34,000 capacity one.

**danonion** · 05/12/2007, 9:48 PM

Originally Posted by dr_peepee

Man... Seriously... Where did you read any of the regulars here saying we're gonna get Mourinho???

I wouldn't soil the good name of cowboys by calling Terry Venables one!!

I think Venables qualifies as a keoboy, if you're familiar with that funny tyrone-speak

**Cymro** · 05/12/2007, 10:07 PM

College, Birmingham recently tried to get either Lippi or Capello (can't remember which) but were rejected. Now Alex McLeish took the Birmingham job over staying with Scotland and Scotland are currently in a better position than Ireland. So I would say it's pretty unlikely Lippi or Capello would take the Irish job.

As long as they have a reputation and are not out of the game too long they will look for a club job or a top international job. They wouldn't risk their reputations with a side which may not qualify for the next couple of tournaments. Slightly harsh I accept but most likely true.

**kingdomkerry** · 05/12/2007, 10:15 PM

Ireland are well capable of qualifying for the "next couple of tournaments" with a good manager most importantly and players like given, dunne, finnan, duff, ireland, mcgeady, keane and doyle!

**Cymro** · 05/12/2007, 10:18 PM

You haven't from the last 3 campaigns. I don't want to start a huge row, but it's debateable at best as to whether your problems are down to your manager or your players.

**amaccann** · 05/12/2007, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Cymro

You haven't from the last 3 campaigns. I don't want to start a huge row, but it's debateable at best as to whether your problems are down to your manager or your players.

It's a bit of both, but we have a team of players playing Premiership football. The Premiership is full of teams playing above their pedigree over the last few years; so with the right encouragement & manager, we could also raise our players above and beyond their capabilities.

**Lionel Ritchie** · 05/12/2007, 10:28 PM

I think Cymros analysis is fair comment. What's also pertinent, though not the be all and end all, is that Alex McLeishs salary leapt about 1500% by moving from Scotland to Birmingham ...yes Birmingham.

I'm not saying chuck money at the job, I'm on record here as saying as far as international football goes the Irish job is pretty well renumerated. I'm just saying that, unless they're after the relative "quiet life" then the Capellos et al out there can find better opportunities financially in club managment.

**eirebhoy** · 05/12/2007, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Cymro

College, Birmingham recently tried to get either Lippi or Capello (can't remember which) but were rejected. Now Alex McLeish took the Birmingham job over staying with Scotland and Scotland are currently in a better position than Ireland. So I would say it's pretty unlikely Lippi or Capello would take the Irish job.

All he was saying is that there's no harm in asking. Although, considering the FAI apparantly approached Martin O'Neill and Alex Ferguson 2 years ago I wouldn't say they're afraid, just completely out of their depth.

I don't really agree with you either. The chances of Lippi wanting to manage Ireland are slim but you're trying to make out that managing Birmingham is a more attractive job than Ireland just because of Alex McLeish.

Cymro, I have a feeling that you just want Irish fans to get a reality check. Why else would you vote yes in the Terry Venables poll?

**soccerc** · 05/12/2007, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

the FAI apparantly approached Martin O'Neill and Alex Ferguson 2 years ago I wouldn't say they're afraid, just completely out of their depth.

They didn't, no one other than Robson and Staunton were ever in the frame

**eekers** · 05/12/2007, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Cymro

College, Birmingham recently tried to get either Lippi or Capello (can't remember which) but were rejected. Now Alex McLeish took the Birmingham job over staying with Scotland and Scotland are currently in a better position than Ireland. So I would say it's pretty unlikely Lippi or Capello would take the Irish job.

mc leish was on 500k at scotland
the ireland job will land a good candidate that they really want 2m ish

scotland arent in the same league as us financially

**Noelys Guitar** · 05/12/2007, 11:50 PM

Delaney said tonight that nobody from the FAI has spoken to TV.

**soccerc** · 06/12/2007, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

Delaney said tonight that nobody from the FAI has spoken to TV.

Very careful choice of words, no?

**Bondvillain** · 06/12/2007, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by soccerc

Very careful choice of words, no?

Very true. "Nobody has approached Venables in relation to him taking the Irish job" would have been more comforting.

And in fairness, it was said by a man who if he was asked "Are you alive?" would instinctively answer "No", due to his complete aversion to the truth in all it's forms.

**Sligo Hornet** · 06/12/2007, 6:53 AM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

Delaney said tonight that nobody from the FAI has spoken to TV.

Heh Noely.....I didn't know you could see into the future......any chance of letting me know the winning Lotto numbers for the next draw!

**Cymro** · 06/12/2007, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

All he was saying is that there's no harm in asking. Although, considering the FAI apparantly approached Martin O'Neill and Alex Ferguson 2 years ago I wouldn't say they're afraid, just completely out of their depth.

I don't really agree with you either. The chances of Lippi wanting to manage Ireland are slim but you're trying to make out that managing Birmingham is a more attractive job than Ireland just because of Alex McLeish.

Cymro, I have a feeling that you just want Irish fans to get a reality check. Why else would you vote yes in the Terry Venables poll?

I certainly did not imply it was pointless asking. You could ask, but I'd say the chances of you getting either would be slim. Who's to say the FAI haven't already rung both up and got a short and sweet 'no' but just didn't care to make it public?

As for Venables, I don't think he would be that bad a choice. He has achieved something at international level before, getting England to the semis of a major tournament, and at a time when England weren't at their best, similar to Ireland now. If you can get him, Hodgson would be the best, but I've a feeling he's waiting for England to call him. The FAI may already have phoned him but he said something to the effect of 'I'm weighing up my options' ie 'I want the England job, if they don't offer it to me I will consider you'

That probably sounds pretty offensive, but just bear in mind Hodgson is an Englishman, and who wouldn't want to manage their own country?

**Stuttgart88** · 06/12/2007, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Cymro

who wouldn't want to manage their own country?

Mark Hughes?

Anyway, I think it's pretty clear that Hodgson isn't in the running for the England job.

Barwick's shortlist is thought to be Mourinho, Capello, Lippi, Klinsmann and maybe still O'Neill.

**eekers** · 06/12/2007, 10:39 AM

hodgson has said many times he sees himself as british as opposed to english. i dont think he's got that much of an ambition to manage england

**shakermaker1982** · 06/12/2007, 10:48 AM

Hodgson hasn't got a chance with the ING GER LAND post. It has to be a big name or heads will roll at the FA and I don't mean to knock Hodgson because I want him to manage us. I fully expect Capello to be appointed by Barwick and co. Mourinho is just messing em around playing games whereas Capello wants the bloody thing.

**citizenerased** · 06/12/2007, 10:56 AM

we should break the bank and try to get O'Neill...perfect for the job..he should be approached again anyway despite a high possibility of refusal...As with any job, you should always try to get the best suitable first, and then, if needs be, due to no other choice approach the venables and Hodgsons of this world..