QuoteWhy not?Originally Posted by Juanace
What makes managing Poland, Greece or a provincial Dutch club side so much more attractive?
Giles adds a big conditional to his support for Venables.
Giles would have to state that he believes TV would concentrate on the job in order for him to be considered pro Venables.
Why not?
What makes managing Poland, Greece or a provincial Dutch club side so much more attractive?
Together with all our hearts.
well poland and greece are both in the euros...were not, and realisticallly we would have to wait till after the euros to approach them, meaning a distinct lackof time to prepare for them with new coach(if we get him )
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A manager who hasguided his team to the European Championships isnt going to look twice at the Irish job at the moment, dont be silly. Unless we offer silly money neither of those gentlemen would even discuss the job
Glad to hear it. I have no access to Irish radio or TV but what I've seen in the print media has been mainly one way. Maybe the pro-Venables media went out of the traps too early.
In the anti-Venables column I'd add foot.ie
Here they come! It’s the charge of the “Thanks” Brigade!
If you lot protest Venables and we get that Kendell lad i won't be to pleased with yous.
"No regrets, none at all. My only regret is that we went out on penalties. That's my only regret. But no, no regrets." -Mick McCarthy
Dude... I'm all for being realistic about our options.. Sure I've been championing Greame Sounness on threads here, same as Roy Hodgson when Stan got the job. I'm fully aware that we're not gonna go from hiring Wallsall backroom staff and Underage managers to hiring managers with league titles and high pedigree. But I don't know how you can't see that Venables has treated every job since Euro 96 as a 'nixer'. There's no loyalty to the guy. He's a "me feiner"... He's a gangster aswell to put it bluntly.
And the positives he's achieved, yeah, you can't argue with facts.... But that was back in the early 90's... As they said on Newstalk the other night. Jack Charlton was a good manager in the 90's.. Will we bring him back aswell. The game has moved on from the 90's. We need someone who's moved with the times a bit..
Ah sure we are only a poor small country ( doffing cap in subservience).Juanace, get a grip and get out of the 19th Century for fcuk sake
Name names:
Pro venables:
John Giles - RTE - conditional support, based on venables concentrating on the Irish job and not media profile
Paul Hyland - The Evening Herald
Paul Lennon - The Star
Roy Curtis - The Sunday World
Kenny Cunningham - The Evening herald
Dion Fanning - Irish Independent
Liam Mackey - Irish Examiner
Most players or ex-players have positive things to say about venables, not gonna name names on this one.
Anti venables:
Eamon Dunphy - RTE/The Star
Tom Humphries - The Irish Times
Daniel McDonnell - Irish Independent
Kieran Cunningham - The Star
foot.ie
Help me add to the list please.
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see above!.....He certainly knows who is/isn't "good management material"
Tact is for people who are not witty enough to be sarcastic
Why is that? Do you like old style English managers?
According to McDonnell in the Indo Delaney faces a grilling on the prolonged debacle at today's official opening of the FAI's new offices at Abbotstown.
Pro venables:
John Giles - RTE - conditional support, based on venables concentrating on the Irish job and not media profile
Paul Hyland - The Evening Herald
Paul Lennon - The Star
Roy Curtis - The Sunday World
Kenny Cunningham - The Evening herald
Dion Fanning - Irish Independent
Liam Mackey - Irish Examiner
Most players or ex-players have positive things to say about venables, not gonna name names on this one.
Anti venables:
Eamon Dunphy - RTE/The Star
Tom Humphries - The Irish Times
Daniel McDonnell - Irish Independent
Kieran Cunningham - The Star
foot.ie
Newstalk - Off The Ball show
ALAN SUGAR - I'll add him but I'm not sure he has come out and said anything specifically about the Irish job.
Help me add to the list please.
Where is Juanace, I expect him to add to the Pro venables list.
Last edited by Schlooooomp; 05/12/2007 at 11:45 AM.
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Pro venables:
John Giles - RTE - conditional support, based on venables concentrating on the Irish job and not media profile
Paul Hyland - The Evening Herald
Paul Lennon - The Star
Roy Curtis - The Sunday World
Kenny Cunningham - The Evening herald
Dion Fanning - Irish Independent
Liam Mackey - Irish Examiner
Most players or ex-players have positive things to say about venables, not gonna name names on this one.
Anti venables:
Eamon Dunphy - RTE/The Star
Tom Humphries - The Irish Times
Daniel McDonnell - Irish Independent
Kieran Cunningham - The Star
Eamon Carr - The Evening Herald
foot.ie
Newstalk
Big difference in the quality of journalist on the bottom list in my opinion.
CRYSTAL PALACE 1976-80
"saw his Eagles soar from Third Division to First in three dizzy seasons" - Not bad i'd say.
30 years ago.
QPR 1980-84
"winning promotion to the First Division (after three seasons) and taking the Rs to the 1982 FA Cup final" - Thats not bad either.
27 years ago.
BARCELONA 1984-87
his team won a weak Spanish league in his first season, and made the last two of a ****-poor post-Heysel European Cup field in his second. - So he also one the spanish league title!
Started well and fell away badly at the end of his reign.
TOTTENHAM 1987-91
"Let's put aside the 1991 FA Cup" - thats not very fair now is it?
Quoted out of context, there is more to that extract.
ENGLAND 1994-96
"England then played above themselves in their final game before going out bravely" - so he got to a semi final and only lost on penalities, hardly a disgrace.
Again quoted out of context, there is more to that extract, look at the 5 games they played and the farcical refereeing in the quarter against Spain. this wasn't total football as some in the media would have you believe.
AUSTRALIA 1996-97
"as two late Iran strikes saw them through on away goals" - i saw this game, they was very unlucky to go out.
I also saw that game and disagree, I think the shape Australia settled into once they went 2 up ceeded the initiative and with defenders pushing up caused them to get caught out. They were ahead 3 times in that tie overall and couldn't close it out. His team selection and tactics for the 2nd leg were questioned big time after that match
MIDDLESBROUGH 2000-01
"truth, it was Venables who called the shots, and steered Boro to eight wins in 25 matches and clear of relegation." - so he saved them from certain relegation?
If he saved them as assistant then why isn't he culpable for England's recent failure when he was in the same role?
Black marks: Crystal Palace and Portmouth didnt work out, possibly Australia, we all know the difficulties Leeds had.
The difficulties Leeds has were multiplied exponentially by TV's failure, the fact that they were in relegation trouble despite the strength of squad they had was a major trigger for the creditors looking for money back, do you think they'd have come knocking had Leeds been top of the league?
I've no problem with Venables early record, it's the last 10 years that concern me.
There's plenty of candidates with a far better recent record mentioned on various threads.
Last edited by Drumcondra 69er; 05/12/2007 at 12:11 PM.
you can add www.chatsoccer.eu to the anti-camp. No pool taken but majority on that forum are negative.
Mark Lawrenson dropped a very basic positive Venables remark (players like him) / anti-Hodgson remark (Finland didn't qualify) in the Irish Times last week.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 05/12/2007 at 1:08 PM.
Pro venables:
John Giles - RTE - conditional support, based on venables concentrating on the Irish job and not media profile
Paul Hyland - The Evening Herald
Paul Lennon - The Star
Roy Curtis - The Sunday World
Kenny Cunningham - The Evening herald
Dion Fanning - Irish Independent
Liam Mackey - Irish Examiner
Mark Lawrenson
Most players or ex-players have positive things to say about venables, not gonna name names on this one.
Anti venables:
Eamon Dunphy - RTE/The Star
Tom Humphries - The Irish Times
Daniel McDonnell - Irish Independent
Kieran Cunningham - The Star
foot.ie
Newstalk - Off The Ball show
ALAN SUGAR - I'll add him but I'm not sure he has come out and said anything specifically about the Irish job.
Chatsoccer.eu
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