QuoteThe buses seem to be running as normal past Belfield, I don't know it that helps you.
Just wondering if anyone knows what routes are affected
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The buses seem to be running as normal past Belfield, I don't know it that helps you.
Full list in the Herald AM if you can find one, but to be honest it wasn't much of a strike. The 37 was meant to be badly affected, but when I rang Dublin Bus they told me that only 2 of the usual 8 buses that leave town for Castleknock between 5 and 6 were off, the rest were running as normal
Dublin Bus web site has routes affected.
Insane dispute that probably only affects a hand full of drivers. Other depots seem to be operating under these terms without any problems already. Ridiculous that a driver would drive all the way out to the depot just to take lunch break.
Can't see this being solved quickly as the Labour Court & Labour Relations Commission have already decided in favour of Dublin Bus.
It was and is if you rely on the 13 or 4 to get to town everyday.Originally Posted by jebus
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Not really up on all the issues (and there will be more as what the Management and Media are concentrating on), but seems to me a start would be Dublin Bus Management allowing the same amount of time as how long their timetable reckons it takes to get in and out of town!
btw, there wouldn't be any strike if the company hadn't insisted on the introduction of the new policies on Monday and suspended drivers. Labour Court and LRC are not binding (indeed LRC is level below the Labour Court in the IR process) - unions have to put it to their members to either accept or reject. And it's not beyond semi state and state companies to reject them either when it suits.
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From what I heard on the radio, they have changed from an hour lunch break, with 45minutes travelling in and out to the depot to a 2.5 hour break in one of the city centre depots, i.e. same amount of time in total. One of the drivers was complaining that there's 'only so much shopping you can do', so it seems they would rather spend another 90 minutes of their day in traffic rather than a longer lunch break.
On the issue, though, of starting your day's work out in the depot by the airport, and finishing in the city centre I have to agree with the drivers. Surely you should start and finish in the same place.
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You could not run a bus service like that. I presume it is a bit of luck of the draw but traveling out to the depot (7 miles) & back into town again is a massive waste of time. AFAIK the drivers who start at the depot are allowed time at the end of their shift to get back to the depot so they not doing on their own time. If this system is good enough for the other depots why can't it be implemented at Harrison? Maybe the drivers need some time off to get in some early Christmas shopping.
Why is it that management & staff are unable to implement even the most minimal change without big disputes?
To me it looks like a case of people who don't like each other refusing to agree on anything.
The drivers have signed a contract saying that they'll start or finish in town if required so they are obliged to operate the routes but if some of the timetables introduce an unreasonable amount of hassle, like having to travel from town to the depot when the buses aren't running some type of allowance should be made.
It seems to me that this could be sorted out very easily if the people involved were motivated to do so.
But it takes an hour in and out to eden quay as per Dublin Bus Timetables (and we know how reliable that can be with Dublin traffic).
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That may be, I have no idea (although if it takes an hour I guess you'd do it in 45 minutes without any stops); but the drivers were happy with that situation, it seems.
From listening to (the driver's side on) the radio the other morning I got the impression that this isn't the case. Is this true?AFAIK the drivers who start at the depot are allowed time at the end of their shift to get back to the depot so they not doing on their own time.
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Some nasty traffic on route into the City today (Blanchardstown traffic route) although in Dublin it is difficult to know if bus strike causing this. Took me double time as normal to drive to work today. Think I noticed more bikes yesterday but not a scientific survey.
This is how it was explained to me by a co-worker whose wife works for Dublin Bus. So my source is really no more authorative than that but, any way...
A few years ago the rule that a shift starts and finishes in the city centre was brought in to many routes but the Harristown depot resitsted it, and after going through differant rounds of mediation an agreement was reached.
It was agreed that the existing work practices were to be maintained on existing routes and new routes and new drivers coming into the depot would have to conform to the new working arrangements.
Thus the compromise was reached that the drivers kept what they wanted and the company phased in what they wanted over time.
In a nutshell the dispute is over the company changing existing routes, such as adding two stops to them, renaming them (from 40 to 40a for example) and insisting that the new work practices are to apply.
While I don't believe that the drivers should be dicked around in such an underhand way the fact that they were willing to sell their future colleagues down the line to work practices they wouldn't accept for themselves lowers the amount of sympathy I have for them.
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I was reserving some judgement on this until I knew the details.
Reading today in the IT that the drivers are already allowed 45 minutes each way to make to & from the depot & city centre. Unions were claiming this is not enough but they have already agreed to this! I could not believe what I was reading but the Unions suggested this be increased to 50 minutes. Yes a total of 10 minutes per day!!! BTW the Labour Court rejected the suggestion.
If this is true the management & unions should be sacked for gross misconduct.
A lot of the drivers at Harristown live out in places like Cavan, Drogheda and Dundalk so having to travel into the City centre to start your shift is a big difference from having to drive to Harristown.
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
No doubt there were deported there against their will by "The Man" because they were union bus drivers, while all the private sector workers had the best houses in Dublin set aside for them...
Public sector workers in this country being singled out for special oppression and misery...yes that's it!
The reason why this strike happened is simply tradition. You so much as change the brand of coffee in a CIE union tearoom and instantly there is "industrial unrest", "disturbance money", "LARKIN!!!!" etc etc etc...
Benchmarking and Partnership is really paying off for us private sector tax payers isn't it!
What was it one of these Dublin Bus parasitic greedy vermin said while standing around a photogenic bonfire (to enforce their "hardship and suffering" to the public) at Harristown...oh yeah "it's all about delivering quality public transport"...
They are off their box in the CIE unions - completely out of control.
As a strong believer in Trade Unions, and a practising public servant, I couldn't agree more
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I agree with him too. Strikes like this undermine public support for strikes over real issues.
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My view on all industrial disputes is that I dont have a view. THe reason for this is, that the media never covers the story fairly and is always biased against the Union for some reason. THis is across the board in nearly all media outlets. Also as a society we are not a society of consumers rather than producers and solidarity is amongst consumers rather than producers. In this case I do not know the ins and outs of it and in many idustrial disputes a subtle leaving out of the facts or adding other issues in can cloud someones viewpoint.
From knowing how badly the media report issues from the sector I work in, I would not trust anytihng that is in the papers on these issues and the Unions Reps are very bad at getting their point across and have terrible PR most of the time.
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This is very true. The recent example was the supposed "light bulb" issue in the HSE. It was clear as soon as you dug down that it wasn't about that, but even today when surely everyone must be aware that there was more to it the media reporting it as "the row about changing light bulbs".
I don't think the wider population really understands Industrial Relations or it's processes, and just how many disputes (particularly in the public sector) are about management not following agreed procedures when making changes. If the procedures need to be changed that can be addressed through negotiation.
Unions are not opposed to change - if they were, most wouldn't have recommended the national pay agreements of which the main consessions have been about change in the public sector with the pay off for the private sector worker (such as increased labour inspectorate v outsourcing*). (The failure to implement changes or to do so in a cack handed manner is the fault of the Government not the Unions).
*the one proviso in that was that there had to be an economic case for outsourcing, which is why there hasn't been much! Turns out it isn't cheaper in most cases
PR battle is most definitely being lost. I'm not sure what can be done to change that. Nearly every media outlet has a right wing bias - indeed with the largest group in the country it's a bloody tradition!
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