Terry Venables

[NeilMcD]

Good Aricle by Mackey in my view. Balanced in my view I dont agree with his hunch that he will turn out to be good and its not worth the risk when you have other top class candidates who would be interested.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Here's Liam Mackey's view on Venables (positive) in today's Examiner. He puts forward a decent case.

Worth putting up here to add to the debate.

http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer...343-qqqx=1.asp

If Venables gets it so be it, and as Mackey says it's not an exact science, he may well do a good job - he's bound to be an improvement - but the "process" stinks. It's like reading about the elections in some dodgy African backwater.

I dunno, he seems to be basing his case on the fact that Venables picked Paul McGrath for his team of the tournament in Italia 90 and the myth that England were brilliant in Euro 96 which has been picked apart on this thread big time, one good performance against the Dutch and a plucky defeat to Germany may have been the most exciting football England played at Wembley for decades but that doesn't say much for what else has been on display.

I like Mackey as a writer but he's ignored everything TV has done in the last 11 years bar the England assistant job and that amounts to 3 managerial positions (4 including boro) and a chief executive job where he had an unhealthy influence on first team affairs. We're not judging him on one 3-5-2 debacle away to Croatia.

Howard Wilkinson won the league 15 years ago and got Leeds to a major final the same year that England got to the Euro semis and I wouldn't want him within a asses roar of the Ireland job.

[geysir]

from Makay´s article
"On the fan websites there is also evidence of a groundswell of disapproval for the man, though whether the Dunph’s high profile impact actually reflects or shapes elements of the popular mood is always a moot point."

It is not a moot point here, the storm was in full swing before Dunphy´s RTE rant.
The % of vote hasn´t changed since the RTE outburst.
I have sent an email to Makay correcting him about that.
Influenced by Dunphy is a personal insult.

(Also the debate last time Venables name was mentioned in late 2005 when Ladbrokes suspended their betting after a few heavy bets on TV)

Other points I made, the jist, are that as fans we are not convinced that the FAI are doing anything other than reining in TV
We want other top candidates to be contacted and interviewed and it is disgraceful that Hodgson has not been contacted. That Jewell´s contact was made by John Giles.

[Stuttgart88]

Yes, I noticed that he insinuated the forums may have been swayed by Dunphy. It's more likely to have been the other way around. Every one of Dunphy's points was made here.

I have no recollection of TV's comments on Italia 90 - I was there for 4 weeks! - but have always cringed at his punditry since, always feelong he just turned up and did no research. Calling Rangers' goalkeeper Simonsen instead of Christianson in a CL match, just because he was Danish always grated with me.

I still stand by the arguments put forward against (.g., the Euro 96 performances being a popular myth), but do agree that he may do a decent job. He does have some idea and it can't get any worse. But that's not a recommendation by any means.

I do think thare are far better candidates - Houllier as well as Hodgson, for example - and think it'd be a huge shame to overlook people with more extensive experience of the modern game and also outside England. The process stinks however.

[eekers]

I do think thare are far better candidates - Houllier as well as Hodgson, for example - and think it'd be a huge shame to overlook people with more extensive experience of the modern game and also outside England. The process stinks however.

the process itself isnt a bad idea.
its the manipulation of the media that stinks
the idea that venables has it already.

i cant see the dons recommending him for the job above other candidates

[osarusan]

Yes, I noticed that he insinuated the forums may have been swayed by Dunphy. It's more likely to have been the other way around. Every one of Dunphy's points was made here.

I'd say the most likely answer is that Dunphy and footie posters came to the same conclusions independently because those conclusions are bloody obvious!!

[geysir]

Yes indeed, literate fans are not swayed by Dunphy's rants
The argument about TV´s coaching cv is open for a lot of debate and can be complicated imo. We might not be impressed by TV but many are, that´s the reality.
I´d keep much of the debate simple, that the fans want an experienced manager who will focus on the job 100%. That the process of getting that person stinks.

[eekers]

aussies agree with dunphy - from in the sydney morning herald today

http://www.smh.com.au/news/football/...46.html?page=2

EAMON Dunphy, a former Millwall legend and respected Irish pundit, on Terry Venables, who is in line to take over the Irish national team: "If you want to know why Ireland should not touch Venables with a barge pole, then you only have to look at the way he spent the first half at Wembley against Croatia in the royal box hobnobbing with Britain's Prince William. Remember, England were 2-0 down at the time. But that sums up Venables. An A-list celebrity with a fondness for singing on chat shows but, these days, he's a Z-List manager." It was 10 years ago last week that Venables stood on Australia's sidelines, overseeing our calamitous - and, frankly, unnecessary - draw with Iran at the MCG that sent them, and not the Socceroos, to France '98.

[geysir]

In the same paper it seems the Aussie FA received an email about Capello

The story goes something like this: when Australia was eliminated from the Asian Cup, an email arrived in my inbox: "Would Australia be interested in Capello?"

It was passed onto the Aussie FA and ignored for months.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/football/...394687453.html

[Drumcondra 69er]

I'd say the most likely answer is that Dunphy and footie posters came to the same conclusions independently because those conclusions are bloody obvious!!

I'd say that he either looked at this thread or someone e mailed him the Hell Tell article as the start of the thread because he quoted the fact that Dundee United had beaten Barca out of sight home and away and the holiday programme incident for his first Leeds friendly word for word and he was reading from his notes at the time.

For Mackey to suggest that opinion is being dictated by Dunphy is insulting in the extreme.

[eekers]

I'd say that he either looked at this thread or someone e mailed him the Hell Tell article as the start of the thread because he quoted the fact that Dundee United had beaten Barca out of sight home and away and the holiday programme incident for his first Leeds friendly word for word and he was reading from his notes at the time.

For Mackey to suggest that opinion is being dictated by Dunphy is insulting in the extreme.

exactly. especially as dunphy himself mentioned he'd been researching venables for 10 days. ie he googled it

[Stuttgart88]

Venables was at Wigan vs Man City yesterday.

3 Irish were on view.

Not sure there's any relevance!

[Delbertt]

Terry Venables to be ireland manager lol, the media would make you believe el tels a jose morinho

[eekers]

this sneaked into an article on liam george in the sindo today

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...e-1234642.html

He leaves you with a question: "Are they seriously considering Terry Venables as Ireland manager?" He shakes his head at the thought of such old-school thinking.

[Noelys Guitar]

Venables says nobody from the FAI has contacted him.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2007/1202/ireland.html

[amaccann]

Venables says nobody from the FAI has contacted
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2007/1202/ireland.html

Doesn't that contradict many of the rumours and reports from this and other threads?

[carloz]

Venables says nobody from the FAI has contacted
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2007/1202/ireland.html

well he would say that wouldnt he. He wants to try to make it appear that the first people to contact him were the kingmakers

[Stuttgart88]

Shows him up to be the liar he is. Unless he's telling the truth of course!

[geysir]

I still think it was the talking clock when he shouted into his phone, Hello John, the Irish Job? money no object? I´ll think about it.

[Bondvillain]

well he would say that wouldnt he. He wants to try to make it appear that the first people to contact him were the kingmakers

Exactly.

"Mr Venables would like it to be known that he didn't know anything about the Air-uh job until his old mates Don and Don,( Jocasta - fix this so it reads in bold "The Official FAI consultancy team: )"The Official FAI consultancy team" (made up of an FAI employee that he played alongside for a considerable period, and his former assistant from the England set up - Jocasta - drop this bit from final proof. Ta. Hugh. ) approached him to tell him that there was a fair and balanced selection process in progress to select the next Ireland manager, and that Mr Venables was going to win. (Prob Overkill, Jocasta - take this bit out - fans wont like it -remember what Mr Delaney said!!!!!)

Mr Venables is delighted to take the reins at Air-uh, and is looking forward to his first competitve fixture sometime later on in the year, as he is unavailable for the Brazil friendly in February, (and most likely the others yet to be announced) due to previous scheduling commitments with the BBC's "Celebrity Holiday in the sun" programme.

We wish him a hearty "Chuckie our boys in green" indeed, and all the very best of British luck in his new hobby!


Wrmst Rgds,


PP Hugh Chancer, (on bhlf T.Venables)
Dirtbird, Fraudster and Chancer, Solicitors. "





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