QuoteWake up people!!!!
If not Venables, then who??
Are they lining up ouside the FAI building? NO!!
Well, with Townsend seemingly ruling himself out of being on the selection Commit-tee, it remains to be seen (if what has been widely reported about Givens & Howe being two of the 3 man team are correct) whether Delaney has the gumption to place another percieved Venables man on the board of selectors.
Although, in fairness, he's on to a loser either way - If he does appoint a member of the Frank Butcher fan club (Hello, Mr Gascoigne? It's John Delaney. Are you free for a week to come to Dublin and sign a piece of paper?... No there's no reading required.... Yes, an 'x' will suffice... Temple Bar... £30,000 ok?) everyone will say it's a big sham if Venables is hired, as it was always on the cards, JD's alleged "non involvement" in the process was a load of borlicks , and the "Delaney out" campaign will continue more venomously than ever before.
Even if he doesn't and he appoints a true independent who's awareness of "air - uh "extends beyond leprecahuns and Guinness, everyone will still say its a big sham if Venables is hired, that Delaney obviously was always going to accept a manipulated 66% reccomendation from the selection committee, JD's alleged "non involvement" in the process was a load of borlicks , and the "Delaney out" campaign will continue more venomously than ever before.
So, as I am deeply concerned for the mental welfare of our beloved John, I think the safest thing for John Delaney to do, in his own best interest, is make sure Venables isn't on the list of options, or even better, resign before the selection and offer his services to somewhere peaceful and serene like Montenegro.
Voila!
On the way into the stadium, an elderly San Marino Steward waved us in and said "Tonight, may the best team win"
And they nearly did.
Wake up people!!!!
If not Venables, then who??
Are they lining up ouside the FAI building? NO!!
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist thinks it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.
anyone....Originally Posted by Deckydee
i'd sooner have John Aldridge than Venebles...
"Well I think they'll be a little disappointed with that" - Matt Holland on TV3 after 5-2 drubbing by Cyprus
i'd sooner have Roddy Collins than Venebles.
Id sooner have Steve Collins than El Tel!!
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I hear Roddy's old boss, John Courtenay, MD of the FAI's sponsor unrtil 2015, is pushing hard for Venables.
If TV is all we can get having gone through a thorough recruitment process then so be it, but we should aim higher than that and Hodgson should be one obvious target.
Picking some of the names batted around here:
Roy Hodgson
Martin Jol
Arie Haan
Houllier
Troussier
The choices are not unlimited, none are inferior to that cockney crook.
They say that when Venables went to Leeds he tried 4-4-2,
4-3-3 and 5-4-1 ... but he still couldn't open the office safe!
(Apologies if that was posted somewhere else in the previous 5 pages)
Larry Be Wyse
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I would go for the Cyprus manager he has transformed them and is on circa 200k a year , it would also guarantee us 6 points against them.
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If anyone wants to see what a team under Venables plays like, head to Manchester this weekend: http://www.mcfc.co.uk/default.sps?pa...&newsid=511339
I can't decide whether Deckydee is someone from the FAI or Frank Vincent from The Sopranos/Goodfellas/those dodgy Permanent TSB ads.
SIGNATURESCOPE
Ah come off it, you're really exaggerating there
nope! genuinely would prefer Aldo to Venebles...at least he'd have a bit of passion for the job...
Obviously would prefer Hodgson to either of these 2 though...
"Well I think they'll be a little disappointed with that" - Matt Holland on TV3 after 5-2 drubbing by Cyprus
Roy Hodgson is the man with the plan. Has he made any comment yet?
Who is this guy, Trapper Tony?
Given that people here have commented positively on Hodgson's Wikipedia entry, I was wondering how Venables' stacks up.
Here it is:
Managerial career
Early management
He took over as manager of Crystal Palace when they were in the Third Division, he coached them to the Second Division in 1977 and the First Division in 1979. After a mid-table finish in 1980 he left that October for Queens Park Rangers, whom he led to promotion as Champions in 1983 and a very respectable 5th place in the First Division the following season. He also guided Rangers to the FA Cup final in 1982 whilst still a Second Division side, but lost in a replay against his former club Tottenham.
Barcelona
His growing reputation bought him offers from some of Europe's most prestigious clubs and in 1984 he took the role of manager at Barcelona, earning the sobriquet "El Tel". Venables was recommended by Bobby Robson, a good friend of the Barcelona President and who himself, years later, would take over the team. Terry used a very English system, a classic 4-4-2, which took advantage of outstanding defenders like Gerado, Migueli and Julio Alberto and a hard-working midfield led by German Bernd Schuster. During his three seasons in Catalonia, Venables led the club to the Spanish title and League Cup but lost in the final of the first post-Heysel European Cup to Steaua Bucharest on penalties. He was sacked in September 1987, after failing to repeat his title success at the Camp Nou.
Tottenham Hotspur
On 23 November 1987, he returned to England to manage Tottenham Hotspur. His success with the north London team was varied, with the side finishing in mid-table for most of his tenure, though they did win the FA Cup in 1991 and finished 3rd in 1990. Venables had brought both Gary Lineker and Paul Gascoigne to Spurs and was a favourite to replace Bobby Robson as England national football team manager when the job became vacant in 1990, but doubts about his probity led him to be passed over in favour of Graham Taylor. After a failed £20m bid to take over Spurs with Larry Gillick, Venables was appointed chief executive by Alan Sugar who had won the takeover battle against Robert Maxwell in June 1991.[1] Over the next two seasons, the Spurs team was managed by Peter Shreeves and then the joint management team of Ray Clemence and Doug Livermore. A clash of personalities developed and Sugar dismissed Venables on 14 May 1993, over his business dealings. After gaining a temporary injunction he was reinstated, but lost a 3-day high court hearing and ordered to pay costs.[1]
England
By November 1993, the England national football team had reached its lowest depths in 15 years under Graham Taylor, who resigned after being unable to take England to the World Cup finals. Venables, though not active in the game, seemed to have the presence and charisma that could re-ignite some patriotic pride and achievement. He was appointed manager on 28 January 1994.
However, the speculation coincided with Venables coming under scrutiny and censure in connection with several of his business dealings. The Football Association struggled to identify an alternative candidate but their discomfort with his soiled reputation for probity was articulated in their appointment of him as England 'coach' rather than under the traditional title of 'manager'. However, Venables agreed to leave the England job after the 1996 Championship in January 1996.
As hosts, England did not need to qualify for the 1996 European Football Championship. His skill in analysis, coaching and motivation resulted in some of England's best ever footballing performances [ you're ****ing jokuing? S88], including a famous 4–1 demolition of the Netherlands, and only ended in the losing to Germany on penalties in the semi-final.
Australia
Venables' next managerial role was with Australia. His side swept through the Oceania World Cup qualifiers but were beaten in a play-off by Iran on away goals, a match often referred to as the most tragic moment in Australian football history.
Portsmouth (chairman)
At the same time, Venables acted as consultant and then chairman at Portsmouth. He purchased a 51% controlling interest in the club for £1 in February 1997 but left in controversial circumstances in 11 months later. His company Vencorp received a £300,000 bonus in the summer of 1997 and he is thought to have been paid around £250,000 upon leaving the club, but he left them bottom of Division One.[3]
Crystal Palace
In March 1998, he returned to Crystal Palace who had just been taken over by Mark Goldberg, and then relegated from the Premier League, for a brief period, before leaving acrimoniously in January 1999, as the south-London club went into administration. His appointment had created a media frenzy, with Goldberg boasting that he was going to turn Palace into a European force within the next five years. But the dream was over within a year, and Palace narrowly avoided going out of business.
Middlesbrough (head coach)
Despite being linked with vacant managerial positions with Wales and Chelsea, Venables remained out of football for nearly two years until December 2000, when he was appointed head coach to assist Middlesbrough manager Bryan Robson in a bid to help the club avoid relegation. The club eventually finished 14th and survived. However, Venables felt Teesside was too remote a base for his media and business interests and he left at the same time as Robson in June 2001.
Leeds United
In July 2002, Venables joined Leeds United as manager. Despite Venables inheriting a stronger squad than the one that had qualified for the UEFA Champion's League two years earlier, by December of that year the side had crashed out of both the League Cup and the UEFA Cup and were languishing in the bottom half of the table. Venables had fallen out with the vital midfield pairing of Olivier Dacourt and David Batty, and this was widely blamed for this decline.[4][5] Further trauma was to follow in January 2003, when Jonathan Woodgate was sold to Newcastle United without Venables being informed, in an attempt to pay off mounting debts. With the club spiralling towards relegation, Venables was sacked in March 2003.[6]
England (assistant)
Venables was linked with Australian club Newcastle United Jets in 2005, but his commitments in the UK prevented him from taking up a role within the club, and his agent announced that he did not sign any deal with the club. At the end of the 2005–06 season, he was linked with a return to Middlesbrough,[7] but decided that at his age he would be unable to manage a Premier League club full time. Later in the year, Venables returned to the England set-up as assistant to new manager Steve McClaren. He was later sacked from this role in November 2007, along with McClaren, after England failed to qualify for the 2008 European Football Championship, although largely escaping blame for the failure to qualify[8] At the same time, Venables was linked with the Republic of Ireland manager job.[9]
Other interests
Venables is also well known for his business interests, most notably with English clubs Tottenham Hotspur and Portsmouth. However, on 14 January 1998 he was disqualified by the high court from acting as a company director for seven years under section 8 of the Company Directors Disqualification Act 1986 for mismanagement of four companies - the London drinking club Scribes West Ltd, Edenote plc, Tottenham Hotspur plc and Tottenham Hotspur Football and Athletic Company Ltd.[10] The case was brought by the Department of Trade and Industry who cited instances of bribery, lying, deception, manipulation of accounts and taking money that should have been given to creditors.[11]
just that we and the English FA haven't been in touch.
No, Im not a supporter of Venables (certainly not after wathing Dunphy anyway!) but we are a small country and we have to remember that 'Beggars cant be choosy'
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist thinks it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.
Ah the old "sure we're only de' Oirish, too wee to have big oideas" mentality.No, Im not a supporter of Venables (certainly not after wathing Dunphy anyway!) but we are a small country and we have to remember that 'Beggars cant be choosy'
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