Terry Venables

**soccerc** · 26/11/2007, 9:26 PM

Originally Posted by eekers

Wake me up when the selection panel members have been finalised. Then we and the press can engage in informed, as opposed to uninformed, spectulation.

Time to take the head out of the sand, this is not idle speculation.

You need to understand from whom and where all this information regarding Venables and Townsend is emanating from.

A selection panel will/can only select and report based on the criteria set before it. See Genesis I, II and III

However, it could be certain people just jumping the gun and putting one and one together to actually get three.

**OneRedArmy** · 26/11/2007, 9:28 PM

Originally Posted by eekers

Wake me up when the selection panel members have been finalised. Then we and the press can engage in informed, as opposed to uninformed, spectulation.

The same way Delaney wasn't going to have anything to do with the appointment this time, then 2 weeks later he personally contacts Paul Jewell to beg him to reconsider his decision not to put his name forward?

"Selection panel" me arse....

**Superhoops** · 26/11/2007, 9:39 PM

Originally Posted by soccerc

...However, it could be certain people just jumping the gun and putting one and one together to actually get three.

Paddy Power has put one and one together and come up with Venables at 8/13. Big money from somewhere!

**eekers** · 26/11/2007, 9:45 PM

Originally Posted by Superhoops

Paddy Power has put one and one together and come up with Venables at 8/13. Big money from somewhere!

i dont think its big money. every eejit in the country (including me) has a tenner on someone. he's by far the most well known candidate and the one most hyped by the best selling papers in the country

**eekers** · 26/11/2007, 9:48 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

The same way Delaney wasn't going to have anything to do with the appointment this time, then 2 weeks later he personally contacts Paul Jewell to beg him to reconsider his decision not to put his name forward?

"Selection panel" me arse....

you dont think delaney is stupid enough to pick another manager. i think delaney was right to ring jewell once he had told giles he didnt want the job. delaney didnt offer jewell the job at any stage, jewell confirmed that.

**eekers** · 26/11/2007, 9:55 PM

Originally Posted by soccerc

You need to understand from whom and where all this information regarding Venables and Townsend is emanating from.

its all coming from with the fai i'm sure, they are aware of delaney's movements etc.
Pro Venables factions thought throwing in the name townsend would turn round some of the anti venables sentiment going around.
Also the anti venables (pro brady??) faction leaked the story in the Irish Daily Star that three of the 10-person Board of Management are strongly opposed to the candidacy of Venables

**NeilMcD** · 26/11/2007, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by soccerc

Time to take the head out of the sand, this is not idle speculation.

You need to understand from whom and where all this information regarding Venables and Townsend is emanating from.

A selection panel will/can only select and report based on the criteria set before it. See Genesis I, II and III

However, it could be certain people just jumping the gun and putting one and one together to actually get three.

Can you stop talking in code and fi you are going to have a pop at eekers for having his head in the sand and let him undersand where the information is coming from.

I dont know where its coming from. can you put us out of our misery.

**Superhoops** · 26/11/2007, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by eekers

i dont think its big money. every eejit in the country (including me) has a tenner on someone. he's by far the most well known candidate and the one most hyped by the best selling papers in the country

Takes more than a few tenners to shorten to 8/13.

**soccerc** · 26/11/2007, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Superhoops

Takes more than a few tenners to shorten to 8/13.

Indeed Superhoops.

It would be an interesting exercise to see the amount laid on betfair.

I don't understand gambling but I do have a friend who can work out the actual amounts bet from the info on the betfair website. I'll ask him to churn the numbers.

**Jerry The Saint** · 26/11/2007, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by soccerc

Indeed Superhoops.

It would be an interesting exercise to see the amount laid on betfair.

I don't understand gambling but I do have a friend who can work out the actual amounts bet from the info on the betfair website. I'll ask him to churn the numbers.

Have we had the usual round of "Paddy Power has suspended betting!!!!111!!!" yet?

**Superhoops** · 26/11/2007, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by soccerc

Indeed Superhoops.

It would be an interesting exercise to see the amount laid on betfair.

I don't understand gambling but I do have a friend who can work out the actual amounts bet from the info on the betfair website. I'll ask him to churn the numbers.

There has been �80.7k traded on Betfair, �28.6k of which involved backing and laying Venables.

**soccerc** · 26/11/2007, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Superhoops

There has been �80.7k traded on Betfair, �28.6k of which involved backing and laying Venables.

Thanks, doesn't seem like a lot of money. Maybe the memo of understanding between the FAI and Betfair is in play!

**Superhoops** · 26/11/2007, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

Have we had the usual round of "Paddy Power has suspended betting!!!!111!!!" yet?

Yeah, looks like it has been taken off in the last hour or so.

**rebelarmyexile** · 26/11/2007, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I think its funny that people on here get annoyed about things that have not even happend. THe FAI are frustrating enough and they wreck your head about things that do happen so its not good for all our healths to get annoyed by things that have not even happened yet. Everybody take a chill pill and wait and see who they have appointed. Venables bad, Hodgson good.

"How can I expect to soar like an eagle, when I am surrounded by turkeys" CJ Haughey.

sums up Irelands management really

**eekers** · 26/11/2007, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Superhoops

Yeah, looks like it has been taken off in the last hour or so.

paddypower seems to do that every night, ive been watching it for the last few days. i've no idea why

**geysir** · 27/11/2007, 12:00 AM

AFAIU they take the book offline to protect themselves from a surge of bets when the book is not being monitered. My understanding is nothing more than a guess.

Venables has drifted out to 8/11 on Betfair and hey presto 5 seconds later after a page refresh he is at 4/5.

**Scram** · 27/11/2007, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by eekers

paddypower seems to do that every night, ive been watching it for the last few days. i've no idea why

They are afraid of the overseas punters (Eastern I believe). And they want to get some kip!!

Not happy about Venerable but I do like Townsend a lot.

**Paulh** · 27/11/2007, 12:37 AM

I'm not in favour of Venables getting the job.

However I have read in a number of places that, although Venables did suggest 3-5-2 against Croatia, he wanted Rio Ferdinand to play as the sweeper. He was overruled by McLaren who went 3-5-2 but with John Terry as sweeper!

I've read a number of articles from Rio Ferdinand where he has praised Venables for giving him sound tactical advice and making him a better player.

I am well aware of Venables failings and I would rather see Roy Hodgson get the job. However, my worry about Venables if he was appointed wouldn't be his coaching ability (it's hard to find a top class player who he has worked with who doesn't rate him as a coach).

I think that, in fairness, the England debacle was much more McLaren's fault than Venables. He is a top class coach and, frankly, not suited to being a number 2 (especially to an inferior manager). Towards the end, as I understand it, he was largely "frozen out" by McLaren with little or no input.

I'd be more concerned about his commitment and, if the going gets tough, will he just look for a payoff and go back to his comfortable life as a TV pundit?

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Both Croatia and Australia played 3 at the back in WC06. Australia didn't use wing backs so much as a 3-1-4-1-1 wuth Grella protecting the back 4, a regular midfield, Cahill playing off Viduka.

A pro Venables piece in This is London (Evening standard online I think - how objective would that be? Venables has mates well placed in the media, especially London & the Standard always sticks up for their own) said that TV wanted a different role to be played by the 3 CBs than Mclaren. They went with 3 at the back but with McLaren's idea of how to use it. Like it counted anyway, Croatia were better that day too and would have been no matter who or how England lined up.

**ifk101** · 27/11/2007, 6:52 AM

The FAI hasn't clearly learned from the mistakes made with Stan. IMO it's wasn't the appointment of Stan that was the critical mistake but the process that lead to his appointment. This process is still in place and it's a process I have little faith or trust in.

Alarm bells are ringing in my head with the continued mention of Terry Venables' name.

**macdermesser** · 27/11/2007, 8:07 AM

Originally Posted by ifk101

The FAI hasn't clearly learned from the mistakes made with Stan. IMO it's wasn't the appointment of Stan that was the critical mistake but the process that lead to his appointment. This process is still in place and it's a process I have little faith or trust in.

Alarm bells are ringing in my head with the continued mention of Terry Venables' name.

Alarm bells are ringing indeed... I just hope that somebody on the FAI Board has the balls to stand up and be counted for today at this "hastily arranged meeting" .. and to be fair, going on the article in the indo this morning, it would seem that some of the board want to interview all the candidates... (so no more of the "I had a lot of paperwork to do EAMON .. he of "I knew Stan was the wrong man from the beginning but I let John get away with that answer") Of all the candidates, Hodgson is the strongest .. he is starting to be mentioned for other jobs now. .. at Inter, Derby County, Australia .. even the England job.

And that's of the candidates that they have only considered .. what about all the names that we were suggesting here a few weeks ago .. the Dutchmen, germans etc?