Terry Venables

[geysir]

Terry has some of these gullible hacks totally sucked in.
The one I read was that the 352 was Terry's idea but they didn´t know what to do because McLaren gave them the day off from training.

[Schlooooomp]

Have just read Roy Curtis's article in the sunday world today promoting Venables as a "visionary applicant" for the Irish job. He then goes about criticisng those in the media who have not jumped on the venables bandwagon as using "lazy lampooning and powder-puff parody" as the weapons of choice to refute venables as a valid candidate. (Gotta love all the alliteration used by Curtis, very tabloidesque). He makes several claims about venables but doesn't back any of them up - "man management, training ground smarts, tactical awareness,...,media skills"

He then sets up a straw man argument by claiming that one of the main drawbacks of venables according to his critics is the fact that he is too old for the job. Now, maybe I have missed out on this aspect of the venables discussion but I have not seen his age brought into the argument anywhere. Despite this, Curtis spends six paragraphs refuting an argument that only he has brought up. Quality journalism.

He continuously compares venables to Jewell, as if there are no other candidates in the running, from what I can see, it is easier to inflate venables record by comparing him to Jewell than other candidates like Hodgson or Houllier.

He brings up Euro 96, what one of the venables cheerleaders doesnt, but he doesn't disect that particular competition, I am not going to discuss it here as it has been discussed extensively elsewhere on this thread, in short, it has been debunked as a pretty average stint as manager.

He then proceeds to gloss over stints at Leeds and Portsmouth, the former were doomed anyway and nothing could save them, for the latter, "he was more interested in owning the club", thats the reason for a lack of success. Praise indeed! What, venables interested in money more than football, never!

In opening the article Curtis also states, "they are seeking to pass their blinkered guff as serious analysis" in reference to journalists that are against venables getting the job, last words for Roy, physician, heal thyself!

[paul_oshea]

After the response i recieved from Dion Fanning, I honestly think most of them dont have a clue and only know the obvious names from what they hear here in England. Seriouslly.

And stop reading the sunday independent, its the worst paper I have ever read. Sunday times ( English and IRish version ) is by far a better read.

[Superhoops]

strong anti-venables article in the sindo today

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...s-1229974.html

Yet Fanning seems certain Venables will get the job...

The Indo article is by Tommy Conlon, not Fanning

[kennedmc]

Euro 96 from my memory

Average 1-1 draw against Switzerland
Beat Scotland 2-0 although the Scots missed a pen(?) and then England went up and Gazza scored 'that' goal
Very good win against the Dutch (played well for 30 mins?)
Fortunate to beat Spain who had a good goal ruled out for offside
Lost to Germany on pens....

IMO it sounds more impressive now than it actually was

[geysir]

He then sets up a straw man argument by claiming that one of the main drawbacks of venables according to his critics is the fact that he is too old for the job. Now, maybe I have missed out on this aspect of the venables discussion but I have not seen his age brought into the argument anywhere. Despite this, Curtis spends six paragraphs refuting an argument that only he has brought up.

His age has been mentioned in the Indo article by Conlon, irresistible line to wrap up the article
'will we still need him now he´s 64'

[Schlooooomp]

His age has been mentioned in the Indo article by Conlon, irresistible line to wrap up the article
'will we still need him now he´s 64'

Fair enough, not sure that Curtis would have known about this article while writing his own.

I wish journalists wouldn't roll out such trite excuses, they are easy to refute, in fairness to venables, he looks pretty healthy and his age is not a factor as far as I'm concerned.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Have just read Roy Curtis's article in the sunday world today promoting Venables as a "visionary applicant" for the Irish job. He then goes about criticisng those in the media who have not jumped on the venables bandwagon as using "lazy lampooning and powder-puff parody" as the weapons of choice to refute venables as a valid candidate. (Gotta love all the alliteration used by Curtis, very tabloidesque). He makes several claims about venables but doesn't back any of them up - "man management, training ground smarts, tactical awareness,...,media skills"

He then sets up a straw man argument by claiming that one of the main drawbacks of venables according to his critics is the fact that he is too old for the job. Now, maybe I have missed out on this aspect of the venables discussion but I have not seen his age brought into the argument anywhere. Despite this, Curtis spends six paragraphs refuting an argument that only he has brought up. Quality journalism.

He continuously compares venables to Jewell, as if there are no other candidates in the running, from what I can see, it is easier to inflate venables record by comparing him to Jewell than other candidates like Hodgson or Houllier.

He brings up Euro 96, what one of the venables cheerleaders doesnt, but he doesn't disect that particular competition, I am not going to discuss it here as it has been discussed extensively elsewhere on this thread, in short, it has been debunked as a pretty average stint as manager.

He then proceeds to gloss over stints at Leeds and Portsmouth, the former were doomed anyway and nothing could save them, for the latter, "he was more interested in owning the club", thats the reason for a lack of success. Praise indeed! What, venables interested in money more than football, never!

In opening the article Curtis also states, "they are seeking to pass their blinkered guff as serious analysis" in reference to journalists that are against venables getting the job, last words for Roy, physician, heal thyself!

In fairness Roy Curtis is possibly the worst sports journalist in the country and there's a lot of competition for that role. His pieces read like they've been written by a 12 year old who's just discovered the metaphor. He's a buffoon of the highest order and a lazy journalist to boot.

[Stuttgart88]

The Indo article is by Tommy Conlon, not Fanning

Is the back page article saying that FAI will offer TV the job not by Fanning? It's already in my recycle box and I'm not going to the bother of salvaging it.

[Stuttgart88]

Euro 96 from my memory

Average 1-1 draw against Switzerland
Beat Scotland 2-0 although the Scots missed a pen(?) and then England went up and Gazza scored 'that' goal
Very good win against the Dutch (played well for 30 mins?)
Fortunate to beat Spain who had a good goal ruled out for offside
Lost to Germany on pens....

IMO it sounds more impressive now than it actually was

Exactly. With home advantage he only won 2 games out of 5, and that'd only have been 1 but for Gary Mac's missed penno. It's not exactly comparable but if that was our home record in qualification the manager would be toast.

Spain also had a stonewall penno denied when Gazza tripped a Spaniard in the box late on.

[viagogo]

Am I stupid but I thought that after this disastrous qualifying campaign that the FAI would put some serious thought into this and appoint the right man but instead it looks like we are going for the ex England coach whose best days are well behind him. Can anybody see the logic in this? All the FAI have to do is watch Englands last game against Croatia then see that Venables had some input into this and they would see that he is totally the wrong man.

[eekers]

Am I stupid but I thought that after this disastrous qualifying campaign that the FAI would put some serious thought into this and appoint the right man but instead it looks like we are going for the ex England coach whose best days are well behind him. Can anybody see the logic in this? All the FAI have to do is watch Englands last game against Croatia then see that Venables had some input into this and they would see that he is totally the wrong man.

in fairness i dont think the fai are going near venables.
just because he is the bookies favourite at the moment

[Schlooooomp]

in fairness i dont think the fai are going near venables.
just because he is the bookies favourite at the moment

A major problem with venables is that he is being backed by most journalists and media commentators. This makes it easier for the FAI to hire him, as they can then say, in the event of failure, that everybody thought he was the right man for the job. It is disturbing how many ordinary fans also think he is the right man for the job

[gael353]

Lets hope we dont appoint him if only to disappoint the madding media (indapendent newspapers) who seem to be pushing his name and getting all their pundits and journos and radio presenters to push his name also. Really crap as hes just a spoofer, which fills column inches and so hes perfect for the media. 64 years old now, (just mentioned that to annoy curtis) and a group which we'd be lucky to get third in...no point in this clown even being mentioned

[Stuttgart88]

The general quality of sportswriting in this case has been shocking.

Has anyone in the Irish Times said anything? Tom Humphries usually isn't shy about voicing an opinion on his 3rd favourite sport. I'd be very surprised if he'd have much positive to say about Venables.

[geysir]

64 years old now, (just mentioned that to annoy curtis)

65 in January
resonates better.

[Noelys Guitar]

Liam Touhy was in pole position for the job according to the media prior to Charlton taking over. I can remember a huge headline on the back of the Herald saying "Rasher flavour of the month with FAI" the day before Charlton was installed as manager.

[eekers]

haha Venables wants Andy Townsend as his assistant

http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishex...854-qqqx=1.asp


bare in mind here's how he's hyped by his agent on his after dinner speaking bio

Most recently Andy is hosting "Playing Around" on Tyne Tees TV, where he interviews other sporting personalities whilst playing a round of golf.

http://www.cityspeakersinternational...ID=apsf2dvv96m

[Drumcondra 69er]

Would Andy be allowed park 'Townsend's tactics truck' outside Croker do you reckon?

[tetsujin1979]

Would Andy be allowed park 'Townsend's tactics truck' outside Croker do you reckon?

I could tell him a few places to park it, if Venables is appointed