Quigley and Sammo add to their U-21 caps

**Poor Student** · 16/11/2007, 8:16 PM

Both lads played in Ireland's 1-0 defeat to Montenegro. Quigley started and Sammo came on as a sub. RTE's report says he missed a headed chance on goal in then 89th minute.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2007/...relandu21.html

Well done to the two for gaining more caps.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 16/11/2007, 9:50 PM

Just the end of the replayed broadcast, Sammo missed a sitter. So looks like missing goals is nothing personal he does it in any shirt

**Schumi** · 16/11/2007, 10:00 PM

More than a bit harsh, when was the last time someone scored 11 goals in a season for us (outside of first division seasons)?

**CollegeTillIDie** · 16/11/2007, 10:16 PM

Paul Byrne got 7 League goals in a fraction of the number of League games played by Conor. Only comparing him with another UCD striker. We are talking about a team which failed to scored in six of their last seven league games here , which was main reason we were in relegation danger come to think of it .

**Schumi** · 16/11/2007, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Paul Byrne got 7 League goals in a fraction of the number of League games played by Conor. Only comparing him with another UCD striker.

So we have our striker that I can remember scoring a double-figure tally of goals outside of the first division and another striker who's even better. How awful.

**Colie** · 17/11/2007, 9:09 AM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

Sammo came on as a sub.

Do the Sammo

**CollegeTillIDie** · 17/11/2007, 9:12 AM

Originally Posted by Schumi

So we have our striker that I can remember scoring a double-figure tally of goals outside of the first division and another striker who's even better. How awful.

Well if you want to look across the whole season. We won 12 games.
Problem is 5 of them were in the bloody cups!

**Schumi** · 19/11/2007, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Well if you want to look across the whole season.

You're right, that's a ridiculous thing to do.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 19/11/2007, 1:12 PM

Originally Posted by Schumi

You're right, that's a ridiculous thing to do.

Well 5 of the 12 wins produced no League points so I think it might be. The League is the basic plain cake and decides where you play your football the following season. The Cups are merely icing on a cake. Icing which hid the fact that in 2007 the Cake was stale and mouldy !

**pineapple stu** · 19/11/2007, 5:35 PM

Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Well 5 of the 12 wins produced no League points so I think it might be. The League is the basic plain cake and decides where you play your football the following season. The Cups are merely icing on a cake. Icing which hid the fact that in 2007 the Cake was stale and mouldy !

So are league goals now worth more than Cup goals?

Should we devise a formula whereby goals in the Cup are worth progressively more, approaching, but never reaching, one league goal as you get nearer the final?

Originally Posted by Schumi

More than a bit harsh, when was the last time someone scored 11 goals in a season for us (outside of first division seasons)?

Robbie Martin with 12 in 2001/02.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 19/11/2007, 6:35 PM

Would you rather win the Cup and be in the First Division?
I didn't think so !

**Schumi** · 19/11/2007, 6:53 PM

Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Would you rather win the Cup and be in the First Division?

Yes. In 10 years a cup win would be far more memorable than a year or two in the first division.

**Poor Student** · 20/11/2007, 8:54 PM

Quigley starts and Sammo comes on as a sub again against Bulgaria. Quigley had a good game according to this thread: http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=819642#post819642

**CollegeTillIDie** · 21/11/2007, 9:34 AM

Originally Posted by Schumi

Yes. In 10 years a cup win would be far more memorable than a year or two in the first division.

Playing in the UEFA Cup while in the First Division is a difficult circle to square but yes some people on here dine out on A Cup win 23 years ago they weren't even born for.

**Stuttgart88** · 21/11/2007, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Sammo missed a sitter.

Did he? I thought it was Nolan who missed the header? I don't rember Sammon missing a chance but then I had had a few drinks.

**Dodge** · 21/11/2007, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Schumi

Yes. In 10 years a cup win would be far more memorable than a year or two in the first division.

You'd seriously take a cup win and relegation ahead of staying up? And you accuse other clubs of being short sighted...

**Schumi** · 21/11/2007, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

You'd seriously take a cup win and relegation ahead of staying up?

Yes. What do Bray remember about 1999? I'm sure it's the cup win more than the relegation. As long as we come back up soon enough, and I'd be confident we would, winning the cup would come first for me. I'm sure Dundalk thought they'd come back up quickly too when they went down but I think our set-up is better equipped than most to bounce back.

I've never seen us win any trophy of consequence, with apologies to our Under-21 teams. If we were regularly winning leagues or cups, staying up would be more important than a single trophy as another chance would come around soon enough. Having won nothing in 23 years (first division, shields, Leinster senior cups and super cups don't count), a trophy would certainly come first for me.

And you accuse other clubs of being short sighted...

Do I? When was this?

**Dodge** · 21/11/2007, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Schumi

Yes. What do Bray remember about 1999? I'm sure it's the cup win more than the relegation.

I wouldn't presume to know what they feel. I do know that for the last few weeks Longford fans have been talking about staying up as being more important than the cup win.

Do I? When was this?

Ah all you students look alike to me

**DmanDmythDledge** · 21/11/2007, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Did he? I thought it was Nolan who missed the header? I don't rember Sammon missing a chance but then I had had a few drinks.

That's the first game he's talking about.

**Schumi** · 21/11/2007, 1:12 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

for the last few weeks Longford fans have been talking about staying up as being more important than the cup win.

But they've won the cup twice in the last few years. I don't think I'd put a third cup win in a few years ahead of staying up, a first in a generation is different.