QuoteNot from southside hotels. But I'd agree its a similar service.Originally Posted by Ceirtlis
They may be city buses but Dublin Bus operates services to Dublin Airport.
Not from southside hotels. But I'd agree its a similar service.
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No, the Department of Transport issues licences for specific routes. If you went looking for a licence for the same route you would be denied the licence. Space at Dublin Airport isn't the issue.
BUPA/Quinn and VIVAS knew the system when they entered the market. What would be the benefit to the consumer if community rating went? No payments have been made, and instead BUPA used the exemption rules to make huge profits and then cut and run. At the same time, Government is making VHI build up a reserve, which means higher prices, which means that the competitors can charge more and make bigger profits whilst still just undercutting VHI.
But the regulation is all about ensuring profits not about restricting entry.
Has the service in eircom kept up with European norms since privatisation? How does our broadband compare to European standards in coverage and speed. How many private shareholders have profitted from the multiple sales? How has the consumer benefitted?
Would they be in such a dominant position, owning 25% of their main competitor if it hadn't happened and they'd actually had to just compete straight?
On the exact same route?
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Dublin Bus has run an "Express" service from City centre to the airport for years. If this was reliable there would have been no room for Air Coach to operate. I believe Dublin Bus now use the port tunnel for the airport route?
I can already mentioned that a private monopoly (eircom was close to that) just as bad as public monopoly. In the end as a customer we just see the price we charged & the service we receive. All things being equal why should I care where the money goes. Everyone works for profit or wages. The alternative to profit is 100% state run economy which I would be surprised if could find 1,000 people in Ireland to support.
Without competition Aer Lingus was run for the employees & it cost a months wages to fly to London but sure it was great as they not making a profit..
Sarkovzy was elected by the French to implement these reforms so obviously a majority approve. I can't find the link but I read 64% opposed the strikes before they started which apparently had not happened before - usually opposition for strikes grows as strike prolongs.
Aer Lingus workers took pay freezes when they were asked to save the company. They worked longer hours when they were asked to save the company.
Without competition Aer Lingus was run for the employees & it cost a months wages to fly to London but sure it was great as they not making a profit..
What thanks did Aer lingus workers get? A kick in the teeth, their company virtually given away, Mannion on mega bucks telling them to sign an agreement to never take industrial action, explain why they shouldn't or face suspension and told to take 5 grand a year less. Competition sure is beautiful isn't it?
How about Irish Ferries? Where did privatisation lead that company and its workers? Yellow pack jobs, a sh1tty service compared to what it used to be and registered overseas to escape Irish legal requirements.
Is competition good for the consumer?
How did it work in the construction industry? Did it provide affordable good quality housing to working people?
We all know what happened in housing was the opposite. A state construction company could build and sell or rent a house for a fraction of what these privateers charge.
Moreover consumers are not a separate group to workers. They are by and large one and the same. So even if prices go down due to "competition", so do wages as each company puts pressure on its workforce to take a smaller cut of what it produces in order to "compete".
On Sarkozy and what the electorate agree or don't agree with - The main opposition - the so called Partí Socialist said they would carry out these "reforms" (read attacks) if they were elected. So it wasn't a choice between a workers party and a bosses party but between two bosses parties. A majority of the population in a poll earlier this week said they support the public service strike. The number supporting the train drivers was lower because as Macy said, people get ****ed off when they get delayed going to and coming from work.
Last edited by BohsPartisan; 23/11/2007 at 7:46 PM.
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Ok bit of background. In the 1920's there were lots of private bus companies in Dublin. They were so keen on the bottom line that the buses operating were bloody dangerous.
They would race each other to reach bus stops to get passengers and caused lots of accidents. They also were not interested in so called '' unviable '' routes leaving large swathes of the city without a service. And a lot of them were experiencing financial trouble. This was why the first part of CIE was set up to put safe vehicles on the streets for the purposes of public transport as the private operators at the time were not doing so. And also to provide a real public service in areas which might not be all that profitable. Around the same time the privately owned rail companies were starting to come into a situation where they needed to invest in infrastructure and rolling stock.
A combination of dividends to share holders and generous payments to company executives had seen profits frittered away and nothing left to invest in rolling stock. They were bought out by the State and that was how CIE was formed.
CIE had to be formed in 1941 at a time when the choice was State involvement or no services because the old trains were breaking down. There was the Great Northern Railway , The Great Southern Railway and the Dublin South And Eastern.
The Great Northern Railway terminated at what we now call Connolly Station And the Dublin South and Eastern terminated in Pearse. They didn't join up so there was no rail service for years in Dublin crossing the River until around 1950.
The shareholders of Aer Lingus were the State. It was not the employees company although obvious was run like that for a long time.
It might be interesting for historical purposes but see no relevance in 1920s bus services to today. By any standards Dublin a poorly run company. When the buses turn up they seem fairly ok but it the scheduling that is the problem. I fail to see how they are unable to set schedules to accurate times especially along QBCs. I would love to know where the non-viable routes in Dublin City are.
I think chances of another strike over this idiotic issue are likely in the next 6 months.
But there's no buses that are totally QBC - it's inevitable that it's going to be hard when there's so many bottlenecks. For example, the 46a flys down the stillorgan dualler but gets knackered once it starts hitting the estates beyond foxrock. No reason why there can't be some tracking system - I suppose making it vandal proof is the problem.
I can think of a few non-viable routes off the top of my head - a lot of the orbital routes I'd harzard a guess would struggle as they take so long because no scope for bus lanes. Plus a hell of a lot of the non-peak buses on what would be profitable routes at peak times.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
And given that some of the original founders of your club were graduates of Trinners ( hence your club colours) not said without a hint of irony
No need to pall back on pedantry, you know what I meant.
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