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    FAI Cup final may not go ahead?!

    http://www.corkcityfc.ie/index2.htm

    Cork rumoured to be pulling out. Seems like a disgraceful by the FAIO if they're withdrawing funds. HOw hard will that move hit Longford?
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    I'd have supported the pull-out if we'd have won tonight.
    I'd say there's too much to lose now though and should be sorted out at this meeting.
    In fairness, FAI completely in the wrong here.
    Arkaga aren't the type to be fecked around on this methinks.
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    The other side.

    The Football Association of Ireland wishes to clarify several issues that have arisen in relation to the financial package on offer to the finalists in the 2007 FAI Ford Cup Final.

    At a meeting in Portmarnock on Wednesday, October 10, between the FAI and representatives of the four semi-finalists – Bohemians, Cork City, Longford Town and UCD - the financial package for the finalists was outlined in detail and accepted by the clubs.

    The FAI proposed that the winner of the competition would be guaranteed a minimum payment of €100,000 and the runners-up a minimum payment of €75,000. It was explained that this some would cover prize-money, TV revenue and a share of the surplus with the FAI making up the shortfall, if any, to guarantee the agreed payment.

    These guaranteed payments represent a substantial increase on the monies paid to the 2006 finalists where the winners received €45,000 in prize money and television revenue and the runners-up got €39,000.

    The two clubs also shared a €37,000 gate surplus.

    The FAI completely refutes any suggestion that it is in breach of the rules of the competition and is expressly disappointed at the actions of the Cork City Board on this matter.




    It looks like we've a proper stand-off on our hands here.
    Nothing heard from Longfords end?

    Why would the FAI call it a minimum payment whilst spelling out that it covered gates, prize money and tv revenue?
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    Seems like a significant increase from last year, guaranteed. It effective insures the potential for a low gate plus the cost of hiring the RDS.

    Last year, from the press release, Derry got €63,500 (45+18.5) and Pats got €57,500 (39+18.5). Compare this with this years amounts,

    The FAI is clearly in breach of its own rules (again) but in the grand scheme of thing can't see what the problem is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneRedArmy View Post
    Seems like a significant increase from last year, guaranteed. It effective insures the potential for a low gate plus the cost of hiring the RDS.

    Last year, from the press release, Derry got €63,500 (45+18.5) and Pats got €57,500 (39+18.5). Compare this with this years amounts,

    The FAI is clearly in breach of its own rules (again) but in the grand scheme of thing can't see what the problem is?
    I presume that Cork is in dispute with the FAI over something else entirely and are using this breach of the rules as leverage towards whatever their real aim is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneRedArmy View Post
    Last year, from the press release, Derry got €63,500 (45+18.5) and Pats got €57,500 (39+18.5). Compare this with this years amounts,

    The FAI is clearly in breach of its own rules (again) but in the grand scheme of thing can't see what the problem is?
    Effectively, the prize money last season was €45,000 for the winners plus % of the gate after expenses. This season, the prize money was announced (and great hoo-haa and back slapping) as increasing to €100k, and the rulebook wasn't changed with regards to the % of the gate for each club.

    The FAI started back-tracking three weeks ago, when for some reason they appeared to need extra money for something . It seems that the FAI cup finalists are an easy way to recoup a few quid.

    I agree with the club standing up for themselves, but the 'leak' regarding our threat to pull out is something I can't agree with.
    Last edited by tiktok; 10/11/2007 at 10:50 AM. Reason: correcting prize money figure
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    The FAI in a "we're moving the goal posts" shocker ..... who would have thought??

    Way to go, completely devalue your own competition. Fair play lads, trojan work there. I didn't think ye had it in ye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiktok View Post
    Effectively, the prize money last season was €63,500 for the winners plus 40% of the gate after expenses.
    Thats not what the press release says.

    The total monies paid to Derry were 63,500 including the split of gate profits.

    So are you saying the press release is factually incorrect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneRedArmy View Post
    Thats not what the press release says.

    The total monies paid to Derry were 63,500 including the split of gate profits.

    So are you saying the press release is factually incorrect?
    That was a typo on my part, the prize money for the FAI Cup last season was €45k.
    Set in stone in the same way the €100k was reported to be this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiktok View Post
    That was a typo on my part, the prize money for the FAI Cup last season was €45k.
    Set in stone in the same way the €100k was reported to be this season.
    Okay, so the argument is purely over whether the gate profit is included in the 100k (FAI view) or on top of this (Cork's view).

    Cork would appear to be shooting themselves in the foot over 10-15k.

    FAI clearly not blameless (Cup arrangements have been a farce, as per usual), but looks like Arkaga are throwing the toys out of the pram.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneRedArmy View Post
    Okay, so the argument is purely over whether the gate profit is included in the 100k (FAI view) or on top of this (Cork's view).
    Actually, the argument is over whether the gate profit is included in the €100k (FAI stance announced only three weeks ago) or on top of this (the FAI's own rulebook).

    Quote Originally Posted by OneRedArmy View Post
    Cork would appear to be shooting themselves in the foot over 10-15k.

    FAI clearly not blameless (Cup arrangements have been a farce, as per usual), but looks like Arkaga are throwing the toys out of the pram.
    I agree.

    I think they're right to fight it, but do this off the field.

    The jump to a boycott of the final is absolutely ridiculous, especially when there's a possible €100k prize money with the add-ons of gate receipts/UEFA money/TV Money from the UEFA Cup, plus gate receipts/TV Money/possible prize money from the Setanta Cup too..
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    who the hell do cork think they are.
    its called the fai cup and its run by the fai. so the fai can do it what ever way they want.
    hope john delaney is man enough to stand up to them and kick them out of it.

    cork think they own the fecking league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneRedArmy View Post
    Okay, so the argument is purely over whether the gate profit is included in the 100k (FAI view) or on top of this (Cork's view).
    If it were view points and opinion then we wouldn't be having this thread.

    Cork would appear to be shooting themselves in the foot over 10-15k.
    It not shooting ourselves in the foot, we are entitled to gate receipts as is outlined in the FAIs rules. They are trying to renege on this and the club (or clubs) aren't happy with it.

    FAI clearly not blameless (Cup arrangements have been a farce, as per usual), but looks like Arkaga are throwing the toys out of the pram.
    The prize money has nothing to do with this. It was set very early on in the year, 100k and 50k for winners and runners up respectively.

    On a completely separate issue ..... not in the slightest bit related to the prize money, both clubs are entitled to some of the gate receipts as outlined be the FAI.

    The FAI claim that this was agreed by the four clubs ..... something that is yet to be proved. But if this even was the case then the FAI are breaking one of their own rules which stipulates -> "33. The Council shall have power to alter the FAI Cup Rules, but in no case shall they do so until after the Final Tie in any competition has been played."
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man Himself View Post
    who the hell do cork think they are.
    One of the FAI Cup finalists and subject to the rules of the competition the same as everyone else.

    its called the fai cup and its run by the fai. so the fai can do it what ever way they want.
    There in lies the problem, The Council shall have power to alter the FAI Cup Rules, so yes they can do what ever they want but in no case shall they do so until after the Final Tie in any competition has been played meaning they should have done whatever they want a lot earlier than this stage of the season. Its all about timing y'see

    hope john delaney is man enough to stand up
    You wouldn't be on your own there i'd say

    to them and kick them out of it.
    That can't happen

    cork think they own the fecking league.
    No, but that could be the start of a very good idea right there. The future could be bright
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man Himself View Post
    who the hell do cork think they are.
    its called the fai cup and its run by the fai. so the fai can do it what ever way they want.
    hope john delaney is man enough to stand up to them and kick them out of it.

    cork think they own the fecking league.
    The % of the gates on top of Prize money is in the FAI rule book.
    The FAI announced that the winning team got €100k.
    They didn't change anything in the rulebook.
    All CCFC are doing is making them play by the rukles they've written themselves.

    Do a bit of background reading before you start ranting.
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    If cork pull out Pats are in the final , yeah?



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    Quote Originally Posted by kdjaC View Post
    If cork pull out Pats are in the final , yeah?



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    I'd assume Bohs would be as the Semi-finalist who we beat.
    On what basis would Pat's get in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiktok View Post
    I'd assume Bohs would be as the Semi-finalist who we beat.
    On what basis would Pat's get in?
    If Bohs were in it and won, do we get intertoto cup spot then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiktok View Post
    I'd assume Bohs would be as the Semi-finalist who we beat.
    On what basis would Pat's get in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheridan View Post
    Highest percentage of septuagenarians attending in a month beginning with O.
    How long did you wait to use a word like that and why is it relevant to this topic?
    The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.

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