Worse Tackle in Champions League.

[monutdfc]

OMG that New Zealand one was horrible.
Anyone see Graeme Souness for Rangers against some Eastern European team in about 1989? Horror tackle, totally premeditated.

[Dodge]

No, no, no. Thomas Gravesen is all energy brainless footballer. Brown is very, very intelligent.

Gravesen, at peak, would be at least 5/6 times the player Brown will eve rbe, and he was far from brainless. Everton and Denmark used him perfectly. Real madrid didn't. He gave up after that.

[monutdfc]

Real Madrid though Graveson is bald and looks mean therefore he must be a holding midfielder! Rumour has it they bought the wrong baldie in Everton's midfield.

[John83]

Real Madrid though Graveson is bald and looks mean therefore he must be a holding midfielder! Rumour has it they bought the wrong baldie in Everton's midfield.

Not so much a rumour as a joke. One originally made by David Moyes. Quite a long time ago.

[eirebhoy]

Gravesen, at peak, would be at least 5/6 times the player Brown will eve rbe, and he was far from brainless. Everton and Denmark used him perfectly. Real madrid didn't. He gave up after that.

I don't agree. Bobo Balde at his peak was seriously a real class act. He's still one of the most brainless players in the business though. He just had Johan Mjallby to lead him. Gravesen is tactically inept and if he had the fantastic football brain would no doubt have been world class (he's some passer!).

Very true. His left foot needs a lot of work but he's hardly the only player to be totally one footed. Can never understand it myself though.

He's actually had some really good shots with his left foot. He's definitely not one footed.

[monutdfc]

Not so much a rumour as a joke. One originally made by David Moyes. Quite a long time ago.

Thanks for that, I really thought it was true

[Plastic Paddy]

Gravesen, at peak, would be at least 5/6 times the player Brown will eve rbe, and he was far from brainless. Everton and Denmark used him perfectly. Real madrid didn't. He gave up after that.

Jesus Dodge, you were obviously on the pipe very early this morning!

WGS has gone on record stating that he punted Gravesen as he just could not (or would not) adhere to the manager's tactics or team shape. He didn't quite go as far as to say that TG was a headless chicken but he may well have done.

As for TG in the Everton side in his previous spell there? Let's not forget that Lee Carsley was there to cover for him whenever he decided to go AWOL. Jarosik was the wrong type of player to do that for him at Celtic and Lennon, frankly, just didn't have the turn of speed to fill the holes left by TG whenever the opposition counter-attacked last season.

Scott Brown OTOH has a far greater team awareness and ability to read the game than TG ever had to go along with the boundless energy that he possesses. Give it five years - no, two - and you'll surely see Brown as five or six times the player TG ever was. Unless you actually meant five-sixths the player when posting above, in which case I'm still going to question your judgement although not quite to the same degree!

PP

[Dodge]

I've already said Gravesen was awful at Cletic. No question there. But IMo he was probably the best midfielder in England the year before he went to madrid, and believe me I said it at the time. One of the most underrated players in a long, long time. Who I'll say again was rubbish in the SPL.

I think Brown's a fine player, but he's nowhere near the level Gravesen was 3/4 years ago and IMO won't be. Good luck to the lad though, I've nothing against him and he seems a decent bloke.

[eirebhoy]

In terms of technical ability/passing Gravesen is in another league to Brown. If Strachan got his hands on Gravesen at an early age I think he'd have made him into a really superb player. Intelligence is everything to Strachan.

[biscuit]

there was a scanned newspaper pic doing the rounds a while back of gareth gorman doing a 2 footed lunge into pascal vadequin when he was with derry (vadequin) gorman was with harps. it ended pascals season and looked attrocious.both feet knee high with vadequins feet planted.

[anto1208]

I've already said Gravesen was awful at Cletic. No question there. But IMo he was probably the best midfielder in England the year before he went to madrid, and believe me I said it at the time. One of the most underrated players in a long, long time. Who I'll say again was rubbish in the SPL.

I think Brown's a fine player, but he's nowhere near the level Gravesen was 3/4 years ago and IMO won't be. Good luck to the lad though, I've nothing against him and he seems a decent bloke.

Popular misconception by people that dont support Everton that Graveson was ever any good I couldnt believe that real wanted him and it didnt really bother me that he left his spell at Everton was basically 4 years of rubbish headless chickenness followed by a brief good spell (4 months )when Carsley covered up his failings in a 5 man midfield and then off to madrid. Since he has been back he has done very little.

I have only watched celtic 3 or 4 time this year but from what ive seen of Brown he is a lot better than TG i expect him in the premiership along with the keeper come the summer .

[eirebhoy]

Jesus christ.

[Dodge]

Popular misconception by people that dont support Everton that Graveson was ever any good

Looka t you making assumptions. I have friends on merseyside, and all of them idolised gravesen

[biscuit]

Here it is...

****....it worse than i remember...

[monutdfc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg-5mFDDMnk
@ 1 min 57 in the above link
Bad, but not a patch on the Benfica one.
(Or the New Zealand on eor the Gareth Gorman one, but they weren't EC/CL)

[geysir]

Hibs4Ever

Brown is a CLASS player. IMO he's the best midfielder in Scotland
Won't be long til he's in the Premiership.

So I take it that Scott Brown must have spent some time at Hibs.

[Lim till i die]

You don't have a clue about the guy, I'm sorry. It was the "speed and control" thing that confirmed that. Anyone that has seen a fair bit will know that one of his main strengths is running with the ball from midfield and his good speed and control is pretty obvious.

All well and good against Buckfast Thistle and St.Johnswell

For a 22 year old he's a very sensible chap. His energy is unbelievable, he hassles the opposition as much as anyone and is regularly getting booked.

Runs around way, way too quickly making stupid decisions........

This one isn't even up for debate. Brown certainly does have "good speed and ball control".

All well and good against Buckfast Thistle and St.Johnswell

Even compare him to someone like Ryan Babel and he's not even the same species

What's your limits? Make the criteria and I'll put a serious bet down if you want.

Make it at a major European club in the next five years. Big Four in England, Spain or Italy

You know the wager. All the tea

No, no, no. Thomas Gravesen is all energy brainless footballer. Brown is very, very intelligent.

LMFAO at this piece of absolute nonsense

Gravesen in his prime was on a level Scott couldn't reach if he was beamed up

Well I can't really argue this with you because you don't like McGeady either but just look at the changes in McGeady's game to see Strachan's strengths.

That should read don't "rate" McGeady, don't "rate"

He's a fantastic coach. Robbie Keane reckons he's the best manager he worked under. He's not a world class manager but in terms of coaching he knows exactly what he's doing.

Name me a half dozen players Wee Gordon has coached from nothing to being top drawer

LOL at Robbie Keanes opinion being gospel btw

I could name 1000 players more talented than Gattuso too.

What in the name of God does that have to do with how highly you rate Scott Brown??

Anyway, get back to me about this bet.

You heard me. All the tea.

btw - While you're incredibly biased against Celtic this is purely about ability to judge a player.

Where do you pull this LTiD hates Celtic drivel from??

Is it because I said they are not a left wing club?? (They're not)
Is it because I don't support the national team??

I think Celtic's defenders are absolutely rubbish.

Well D'uh

The reason I'm bringing up this talk of bias is because of your mention of Naka and McGeady

I'll be proved right about both of them aswell

[Lim till i die]

Bobo Balde at his peak was seriously a real class act. He's still one of the most brainless players in the business though. He just had Johan Mjallby to lead him.

Bobo Balde was a mullocker who constantly got found out on a higher stage

Gravesen is tactically inept and if he had the fantastic football brain would no doubt have been world class (he's some passer!).

A tactically inept, brainless, superb passer??

Answers on a postcard folks...........

[Lim till i die]

Lim til I die, I don't see much point continuing when you feel the need to shift the goalposts and compare a 'rubbish' player to the most exceptional young talents in the game, and give Milan and Spain as examples of the majority of the teams this rubbish player wouldn't be an important member of.

Where do you draw the line for someone who rates him as highly as yourself??

Should I say Wrexham and Azerbaijan??

Celta Vigo and Saudi Arabia??

You're the one who brought up the majority (Speaking of goalpost shifting....)

You do realise of course that the vast, vast, majority of football clubs are rubbish and would as such welcome a mediocrity like Scott right??

[eirebhoy]

After reading your latest replies I can't believe I let you wind me up in the first place.