Eligibility proposal

**Blanchflower** · 19/11/2007, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by Maroon 7

It's merely a description of the state. Not the actual name of the state.

The actual name of the state is Ireland as per the constitution.

That's why at the UN and EU we're referred to as Ireland.

But that doesn't mean it's not a misnomer.

**Blanchflower** · 19/11/2007, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by lopez

France is called Republique de France, Germany is called Bundesrepublik Deutschland, Spain is called Reino de Espana, Israel is State of Israel. What's the point here?

Are there two Frances? Two Germanies? Two Spains? Two Israels?

The answer to those questions might give you a clue!

**Dodge** · 19/11/2007, 1:17 PM

Originally Posted by Blanchflower

Are there two Frances? Two Germanies? Two Spains? Two Israels?

Are there two Irelands?

And if you're trying to be pedantic, please use the correct terms for the state.

**Blanchflower** · 19/11/2007, 1:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Are there two Irelands?

Northern Ireland and the Republic.

Why are you asking - it is not believable that you do not know this.

**Dodge** · 19/11/2007, 1:23 PM

You're obviously new here...

**Drumcondra 69er** · 19/11/2007, 1:26 PM

Originally Posted by Blanchflower

Northern Ireland and the Republic.

Why are you asking - it is not believable that you do not know this.

One Ireland and one Notthern Ireland if we're going to be pedantic.

It's a bit like calling Great Britain, Britain. Everyone knows where you mean despite the fact that there's also a Little Britain (and I don't mean the TV show).

**Blanchflower** · 19/11/2007, 1:40 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

One Ireland and one Notthern Ireland if we're going to be pedantic.

It's a bit like calling Great Britain, Britain. Everyone knows where you mean despite the fact that there's also a Little Britain (and I don't mean the TV show).

It's not pedantry to point out that there are two states in Ireland.

And it's not like your GB example, because there is only one Great Britain, so references to Britain clearly refer to Great Britain.

References to Ireland do not clearly refer to the Republic of Ireland.

A better example would be calling the UK, Great Britain, which is not clear.

**Drumcondra 69er** · 19/11/2007, 1:48 PM

Originally Posted by Blanchflower

It's not pedantry to point out that there are two states in Ireland.

And it's not like your GB example, because there is only one Great Britain, so references to Britain clearly refer to Great Britain.

References to Ireland do not clearly refer to the Republic of Ireland.

A better example would be calling the UK, Great Britain, which is not clear.

There is only one Great Britain but more then one Britain. What about Little / Lesser Britain? When people say Britain you know where they're talking about. Ditto when people say Ireland.

Partition's only a temporary state anyway, we'll all be laughing about this 40 years down the line!

**osarusan** · 19/11/2007, 2:16 PM

to be honest, when, in this thread and others, some posters on here (and not all, I know) refer to Northern Ireland as "Norn Iron", "The North", or more recently, and more snidely, "Ireland B", I think it is pretty hypocritical to cricitize somebody for using the term "Republic of Ireland."

**Blanchflower** · 19/11/2007, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

There is only one Great Britain but more then one Britain. What about Little / Lesser Britain? When people say Britain you know where they're talking about. Ditto when people say Ireland.

No - because Ireland does not necessarily refer to the Republic of Ireland. Ireland is an island of which the Republic is only part.

**Dodge** · 19/11/2007, 2:23 PM

There's a difference (to me anyway) in using those terms in football ways (I usually go with NI/ROI on this debate) but I nearly always call the State by the correct name; Ireland

**Drumcondra 69er** · 19/11/2007, 2:25 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

to be honest, when, in this thread and others, some posters on here (and not all, I know) refer to Northern Ireland as "Norn Iron", "The North", or more recently, and more snidely, "Ireland B", I think it is pretty hypocritical to cricitize somebody for using the term "Republic of Ireland."

I don't think people are being crtical, it's just turned into an exercise in pedantry at this stage.

In fairness, our friends in the north use the term Norn Iron in any case and I've occasionaly roared 'C'mon The Rep!' at Ireland matches for a bit of variety....

**Dodge** · 19/11/2007, 2:26 PM

Originally Posted by Blanchflower

No - because Ireland does not necessarily refer to the Republic of Ireland. Ireland is an island of which the Republic is only part.

As it’s the name of the state, it absolutely does. It doesn't really matter what you infer from the word Ireland. It is the name of the state and it is correctly used by the majority of people throughout the world

The only place that the Republic of Ireland exists in any kind of public sense is in football in Britain, and in NI politics

**Drumcondra 69er** · 19/11/2007, 2:29 PM

Originally Posted by Blanchflower

No - because Ireland does not necessarily refer to the Republic of Ireland. Ireland is an island of which the Republic is only part.

Ireland is an island which is currently partitioned, correct. However, the name of the 26 county State is also Ireland. When people refer to Ireland in football terms I'd say over 99% of people know what team they're referring to and it's not NI, you must realise this?

**Blanchflower** · 19/11/2007, 2:31 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

As it�s the name of the state, it absolutely does.

Quite clearly not, since "the state" isn't the only thing called Ireland!

Originally Posted by Dodge

It doesn't really matter what you infer from the word Ireland. It is the name of the state and it is correctly used by the majority of people throughout the world

It's a misnomer, "correct" or otherwise.

**Blanchflower** · 19/11/2007, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

However, the name of the 26 county State is also Ireland.

Which is a misnomer.

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

When people refer to Ireland in football terms I'd say over 99% of people know what team they're referring to and it's not NI, you must realise this?

Many people, especially those of the older generation, refer to the NI team as "Ireland". It is the inheritor of the original Ireland team, of course, and therefore has more right to the name.

**Dodge** · 19/11/2007, 2:33 PM

How is it a misnomer?

**ifk101** · 19/11/2007, 2:35 PM

Originally Posted by Blanchflower

It's a misnomer.

"A misnomer is a term which suggests an interpretation that is known to be untrue."

Taken directly from wikipedia.

**life long red** · 19/11/2007, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

There is only one Great Britain but more then one Britain. What about Little / Lesser Britain? When people say Britain you know where they're talking about. Ditto when people say Ireland.

Partition's only a temporary state anyway, we'll all be laughing about this 40 years down the line!

what a load of sh########t

**osarusan** · 19/11/2007, 2:39 PM

Wikipedia doesn't clear it up much.

The state known today as the 'Republic of Ireland' is, and has been, known by a number of names, some of which have been controversial. The state's official title, as in the Irish constitution, is simply Ireland (in English) and �ire (in the Irish language). The term the Republic of Ireland (Irish: Poblacht na h�ireann) is rather the official 'description' of the state, as defined by law. The Republic of Ireland is generally used in any context in which it is necessary to distinguish between the state and the island of Ireland as a whole. Short-hand terms such as the Republic,the State and the South, are also used for the same purpose.

The sentence I've emboldened is interesting.