Eligibility proposal

[Cowboy]

But having cleared up that particular point, I fail to see why I (and Howard Wells!) am carrying the "burden of the divisive mass outbreak of ignorance north of the border about the FIFA statutes", since the likes of Darron Gibson are a completely different case entirely.

In what regard do you understand Gibson to be a completely different case. He was born outside the republic but entitled to a Irish passport.

[geysir]

Fine. I accept that under the Agreement lodged with FIFA a Cayman Islander etc may still choose which of the four British Associations he wishes to represent.But having cleared up that particular point, I fail to see why I (and Howard Wells!) am carrying the "burden of the divisive mass outbreak of ignorance north of the border about the FIFA statutes", since the likes of Darron Gibson are a completely different case entirely

OK Féck the burden, lost in translation I think
And some people here think that you have the capacity to make an intelligent arguement
Having cleared up that point you say
You didn´t even have a sound comprehension about the UK agreement or the application of the annex in the UK context. Yet you try the bluff of extrapolating on all things FIFA. You haven't the foggiest féckin notion of what you are talking about.
Having cleared up that point you say
I am going to run out of appropriate smilies
Having cleared up that point, demonstrates to those who want to understand the finer points of FIFA statutes, to those who want to understand why FIFA have consistantly backed the FAI, to those who want to understand the rationality behind Article 15 and the rationale behind why the Annex criteria is not applied to people like Darron Gibson
because he is born on the island of Ireland and the Republic gives full unconditional citizenship to all who sails in her since birth.
That´s it.
There is no Annex for that, there is no need, it´s a players automatic right under FIFA statutes to play for the Republic and if previously capped by NI it falls under Article 15.
Why the feck don´t you think FIFA just say okay lets apply the annex
and be done with it?
The ANNEX criteria is for those obtaining citizenship.

[lopez]

If you can post where I have stated that I don't want players not wanting to play for Northern Ireland not playing for anyone else, I will gladly engage you.

Until then, please desist from misrepresenting my views on this issue.

ie. stop making things up.

You don't want players playing for you, but you support a policy that prevents them playing for the country to which they hold ciotizenship? Please don't bring up this 'within FIFA rules...their interpretation...annex...' ****e. I'd rather a diginified silence

As for you EG, get a ****ing life man!

[Not Brazil]

You don't want players playing for you, but you support a policy that prevents them playing for the country to which they hold ciotizenship?

I asked you to desist from mis representing my views on the issue.

Seemingly, you wish merely to continue misrepresenting them.

[bwagner]

I asked you to desist from mis representing my views on the issue.

Seemingly, you wish merely to continue misrepresenting them.

Not Brazil your lucky your even allowed on here, well actually we are not as pathetic and rasict as our northern counterpart's fan page that I couldnt join as I put my username as Dundalk guy....shocking! biggots till the end! The admin wouldnt even reply to a email I sent to him in good faith!
I'm delighted you will continue to lose those ye deserve to lose

[RogerMilla]

Not Brazil your lucky your even allowed on here, well actually we are not as pathetic and rasict as our northern counterpart's fan page that I couldnt join as I put my username as Dundalk guy....shocking! biggots till the end! The admin wouldnt even reply to a email I sent to him in good faith!
I'm delighted you will continue to lose those ye deserve to lose

bwagner do you own the site ? and whats a rasict ?

[Not Brazil]

Not Brazil your lucky your even allowed on here, well actually we are not as pathetic and rasict as our northern counterpart's fan page that I couldnt join as I put my username as Dundalk guy....shocking! biggots till the end! The admin wouldnt even reply to a email I sent to him in good faith!
I'm delighted you will continue to lose those ye deserve to lose

Several of your fellow countrymen contribute, in a most constructive fashion, to the Northern Ireland site.

I'll check out why you were denied access and report back.

I would suggest tho that if your intention is to brand all and sundry as racist and bigoted, it'll not do your cause much good.

[RogerMilla]

Several of your fellow countrymen contribute, in a most constructive fashion, to the Northern Ireland site.

I'll check out why you were denied access and report back.

you're even worse for humouring that rant !

[Not Brazil]

you're even worse for humouring that rant !

Obviously bwagner merely wishes to extend the hand of friendship to the Northern Ireland fans that he would wish to be "united" with some day.

It seems a shame that he be denied that opportunity.

[gustavo]

I'll check out why you were denied access and report back.

Could you do the same for me NB?
Cheers

[Not Brazil]

Could you do the same for me NB?
Cheers

What username had you been trying to register under Gustavo?

[Not Brazil]

Not Brazil your lucky your even allowed on here, well actually we are not as pathetic and rasict as our northern counterpart's fan page that I couldnt join as I put my username as Dundalk guy....shocking! biggots till the end! The admin wouldnt even reply to a email I sent to him in good faith!
I'm delighted you will continue to lose those ye deserve to lose

Reply from Admin:

"No Dundalk Guy on the list as being denied and he is not in the waiting validation list.

He sould have got an Email (a clicky here email) Ask him to rereg and if he is still not on the list, I will set the account up for him."

[paul_oshea]

Not Brazil your lucky your even allowed on here, well actually we are not as pathetic and rasict as our northern counterpart's fan page that I couldnt join as I put my username as Dundalk guy....shocking! biggots till the end! The admin wouldnt even reply to a email I sent to him in good faith!
I'm delighted you will continue to lose those ye deserve to lose

wagner, no need for that stuff, really, talk about pot calling the kettle black, you call them racists etc etc, yet you say he shouldn't be allowed on this site etc. Btw I never knew the anglo saxons and the celts were a different "race" now, that channel 4 program has made me even more confused

NB and EG, from me at least ( not that ye care either id say ) ye are more than welcome on this site. Though then again I am not an admin so does it really matter!

Several of your fellow countrymen contribute, in a most constructive fashion, to the Northern Ireland site.

Who? I might register. Do they let ppl with "O" in their name register *jokes* meant for bwagner!

[Not Brazil]

NB and EG, from me at least ( not that ye care either id say ) ye are more than welcome on this site.

Thanks - appreciate your comments.

[gustavo]

What username had you been trying to register under Gustavo?

gustavo

[lopez]

I asked you to desist from mis representing my views on the issue.

Seemingly, you wish merely to continue misrepresenting them.

How do you square the circle of claiming on the one hand that you don't want players playing for NI who'd rather play for the Republic, with supporting action that entails its NI or nothing (residency withstanding). There are a number of people on ourweeminds (and forgive me for continuing to quote this site, but we are always told that we must listen to the real fans, then when it suits, the less savoury views are not representative of the so-called 'real fans') who have the honesty to declare their desire that Gibson et al be capped then hope they are humiliated into returning to the NI team or never international football play again.

You stating that you don't want players playing for your team while wanting them debarred from playing for the country that they have opted for citizenship is no different, if more sanitised. I'm not misrepresenting your views, so please don't get all childish because you haven't actually said in any post 'I want Gibson etc only to play for us whatever they think'. But by saying two contradictory things - 'I don't want these players playing for NI' followed by 'FIFA shouldn't allow them to play for the country of their citizenship' you're effectively saying the same thing. If there are players who don't want to play for you, surely if you don't want them, you should just let them go; end of...!

[geysir]

I asked you to desist from mis representing my views on the issue.
Seemingly, you wish merely to continue misrepresenting them.

Here is what you wrote,
What part of "you cannot force a player to play for anybody they don't want to play for" are you struggling with?
This is about clarifying FIFA rules (obviously there is confusion), and making sure they are adhered to.........
The only thing that matters is that the player WANTS to play for Northern Ireland, and gives the shirt 100%.

As you haven't got involved in the FIFA interpretation discussion. I'd assume you are now satisfied that FIFA's rules on this matter are clear they have again recognized the automatic right of Irish citizens born on the Island to play for the Republic.
This has been Fifa's consistent position on full citizens since years.
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During this whole discussion on the Darron Gibson thread and this thread
Ealing Green has demonstrated a consistent capacity to get it wrong on every major related issue to do with FIFA

At different times in these 2 threads he did not understand and/or argued against.

That FIFA had sent a letter (supporting the FAI) direct to the IFA in October 2006.

That a Friendly "A" international ties up a player to a Federation.

Darron Gibson's transfer was already rubber stamped by FIFA and the transfer would never be the subject of scrutiny.

Residency does not come into the 4 UK Federations agreement.

That FIFA differentiate between automatic citizenship and acquired citizenship.
That there are citizens of the UK (born outside the boundaries of the 4 UK federations) have a free choice over which federation they want to play for.

That the ANNEX criteria is not applied to footballers (born outside the boundaries of the 4 UK federations)

The Annex criteria are not applied to footballers (born outside the boundaries of the 4 UK federations) with full UK citizenship wanting to choose which UK team they want to play for.


And last but certainly not least
that as a full citizen by virtue of being born on the Island of Ireland that a footballer has the automatic right under article 15 to play for the Republic.

[paul_oshea]

Here is what you wrote,
What part of "you cannot force a player to play for anybody they don't want to play for" are you struggling with?
This is about clarifying FIFA rules (obviously there is confusion), and making sure they are adhered to.........
The only thing that matters is that the player WANTS to play for Northern Ireland, and gives the shirt 100%.

As you haven't got involved in the FIFA interpretation discussion. I'd assume you are now satisfied that FIFA's rules on this matter are clear they have again recognized the automatic right of Irish citizens born on the Island to play for the Republic.
This has been Fifa's consistent position on full citizens since years.
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During this whole discussion on the Darron Gibson thread and this thread
Ealing Green has demonstrated a consistent capacity to get it wrong on every major related issue to do with FIFA

At different times in these 2 threads he did not understand and/or argued against.

That FIFA had sent a letter (supporting the FAI) direct to the IFA in October 2006.

That a Friendly "A" international ties up a player to a Federation.

Darron Gibson's transfer was already rubber stamped by FIFA and the transfer would never be the subject of scrutiny.

Residency does not come into the 4 UK Federations agreement.

That FIFA differentiate between automatic citizenship and acquired citizenship.
That there are citizens of the UK (born outside the boundaries of the 4 UK federations) have a free choice over which federation they want to play for.

That the ANNEX criteria is not applied to footballers (born outside the boundaries of the 4 UK federations)

The Annex criteria are not applied to footballers (born outside the boundaries of the 4 UK federations) with full UK citizenship wanting to choose which UK team they want to play for.


And last but certainly not least
that as a full citizen by virtue of being born on the Island of Ireland that a footballer has the automatic right under article 15 to play for the Republic.

Geysir, is your point here that, EG, the NI Fans, the IFA and its legal team are getting it wrong all the time, and are therefore alluding to the point that they are less intelligent than their southern counterparts?!

[geysir]

Geysir, is your point here that, EG, the NI Fans, the IFA and its legal team are getting it wrong all the time, and are therefore alluding to the point that they are less intelligent than their southern counterparts?!

Just less intelligent than me.

You just got lucky with your FIFA proposal

[Not Brazil]

You stating that you don't want players playing for your team while wanting them debarred from playing for the country that they have opted for citizenship is no different, if more sanitised. I'm not misrepresenting your views, so please don't get all childish because you haven't actually said in any post 'I want Gibson etc only to play for us whatever they think'. But by saying two contradictory things - 'I don't want these players playing for NI' followed by 'FIFA shouldn't allow them to play for the country of their citizenship' you're effectively saying the same thing. If there are players who don't want to play for you, surely if you don't want them, you should just let them go; end of...!

Yet again, you continue to misrepresent my views.

Please put up - by highlighting where I have stated that I don't want those who don't want to play for Northern Ireland playing anywhere else - or, shut up.