How bad is Mick McCarthy??

[SÓC]

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Lennie Lawrence

Ohhh, I donno bout Lennie after the Coventry match. He made a right balls of it. Took off the only decent Cardiff player and left Gareth Walley on the pitch.

[Declan_Michael]

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Yet again our correspondent form the planet Sanity hits the nail on the head. I wanted McCarthy out the day he got the Ireland job. Never was a good manager, never will be.

All of you saluting the Barnsley gimp obviously know sod all about 1st Division football. West Brom and Norwich are going to be promoted on a tiny fraction of the budget that the Yorkshire fool has.

Neil Warnock was quoted before yesterday's game as saying that while Sunderland were trying to get their wage bill down to £17 million Sheff Utd were trying to get their's up to £3 million!

McCarthy has achieved nothing as a manager. Decent 1st Division managers - Gary Megson, Nigel Worthington, Ronnie Moore, Paul Jewell, Neil Warnock, Ian Dowie, Lennie Lawrence, Andy Hessenthaler. The list does NOT include McCarthy.

KOH

PS Did I mention that I hate Mick McCarthy and his moron sidekick Ian "Taff" Evans? The FAI's very own Hoddle and Gorman

Fail to see what other sides have to do with it. Sunderland's situation was that Reid stayed in the job too long. When he was replaced they chose Howard Wilkinson as his replacement. By now players morale was shot. Sunderland go on that huge losing streak and McCarthy takes over. I'd like to see any manager that includes Ferguson, Wenger who would have saved them from the drop at that stage. Not content with being relegated they off load any player worth money (including Kevin Phillips) as well as non playing staff. A 48,000 capacity stadium is now scrapping attendances of 24,000. It is not common for relegated teams to bounce straight back up the following season. Mick has managed a money spinning fa cup semi final (chairman smiling) and morale booster (fans smiling). Still the potental to reach the playoffs. Sunderland fans are singing his praises.
Won't go into McCarthys reign as Irish manager except that he inherited a ageing side. So he missed Spains's 10 men on the pitch? Ferguson sold Japp Stam didn't see United supporters calling for his head. Our world cup was salvaged after someone tried to rain on the parade. We would have beaten Germany if it wasn't for Oliver Kahn. I'm proud of our performance we are Ireland not Brazil. In the FAI's 80 odd year history McCarthy is still the second most succesful manager. Also captain in our biggest ever match (WC Q/F 1990). He's earned more respect than most boys' in green even if his accent was an excuse for a cheapshot.

[pineapple stu]

Originally posted by Declan_Michael
So he missed Spain's 10 men on the pitch?

I'd love to know why so much is being made of that. It wasn't like we were on the defensive during extra time - would have been hard to try more to win the game. Just a random, poorly-thought-out excuse to slag him from those who read and believe tabloids too much, in my opinion.

[lopez]

Originally posted by pineapple stu
I'd love to know why so much is being made of that. It wasn't like we were on the defensive during extra time - would have been hard to try more to win the game. Just a random, poorly-thought-out excuse to slag him from those who read and believe tabloids too much, in my opinion.

I was there that night and can't say I noticed Spain down to ten men. No announcement was made. Anyone else there noticed we were playing against ten? Back in Ireland, did the commentators notice that Spain were down to ten? Did any of Judas's apostles notice that during the game or was it only afterwards that they became so sanctimonious? So what anyway, loads of matches have been won by ten men sides against teams overconfident that they suddenly have an advantage. I don't think it would have made much difference.

[Macy]

Originally posted by lopez
Did any of Judas's apostles notice that during the game or was it only afterwards that they became so sanctimonious?

Eh, well I thought it was pretty obvious, and you would think that a manager would be looking for any tatical advantage he could from the situation.

btw I make no bones that I think Keane was less in the wrong than McCarthy in Saipan, but in my case that was just the final straw. IMO he was lucky to still be in the job by that stage.

[lopez]

Originally posted by Macy
Eh, well I thought it was pretty obvious, and you would think that a manager would be looking for any tatical advantage he could from the situation.

btw I make no bones that I think Keane was less in the wrong than McCarthy in Saipan, but in my case that was just the final straw. IMO he was lucky to still be in the job by that stage.

Oh Yeah! With all those top class managers queuing to take the job, it was surprising someone so sh*t got it in the first place. Someone like Bertie Vogts or Fergie, with his marvellous record with his country in a World Cup, would have been far more better.

[tiktok]

Originally posted by lopez
Anyone else there noticed we were playing against ten?

no, but we weren't managing the team. I do think that we went all out in extra time though, and i doubt we would have done much differently had it been noticed.

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
All of you saluting the Barnsley gimp obviously know sod all about 1st Division football. West Brom and Norwich are going to be promoted on a tiny fraction of the budget that the Yorkshire fool has.

Originally posted by Declan_Michael
He's earned more respect than most boys' in green even if his accent was an excuse for a cheapshot.

I agree with you Declan. There's still far too much of this **** going on. I hope you're reading this, "WeAreRovers", because I've just read your post above and what you say has really ****ed me off on two fronts:

1. Despite McCarthy's failings, he was the best Irishman for the job at the time. Where he was born and reared has f all to do with it. What exactly do you wish to imply by commenting on it in this context anyway?

2. People like you were quick to criticise McCarthy, but not once did any of you offer an alternative or a solution. Which in my book makes you and your ilk part of the problem.

PP

(Oh, and btw, your knowledge of NL Division 1 isn't as comprehensive as you'd like to have us believe. FYI, Iain Dowie's been in the division all of five minutes. Hardly a proven manager at that level. Hessenthaler's team have just about bottomed out and if they survive, he'll be lucky. But I digress.)

[WeAreRovers]

Originally posted by Plastic Paddy
I agree. There's still far too much of this **** going on. I hope you're reading this, "WeAreRovers", because I've just read your post above and what you say has really ****ed me off. Despite McCarthy's failings, he was the best for the job at the time. What his accent sounds like has f all to do with it.

PP

Ah diddums. You poor lad.

Normally I couldn't give a toss about someones accent but McCarthy and his apologists in the British media have been patronising us for far too long.

McCarthy is such a gob****e that he gave an interview to the Observer pre WC2002 in which he castigated Ireland, the Irish people and the Irish media. Obviously under the impression that nobody here reads the Observer.

Even now the British media think he did a good job with Ireland. Their view being that even qualifying a "minnow" country like Ireland is an achievment in itself. Nonsense, we had a great chance to get to the WC semis but the only person who truly believed was sent home by that Yorkshire fool.

The British media love McCarthy and hate Keane - witness the complete lack of recognition when Pele said Keane would be in his top 5 not to mind his top 125. Not a peep out of the Brit rags.

I'll never stop having a go at McCarthy - it's a free world after all, even if my views annoy the kind of people who'd rather see Jason McAteer play for Ireland than Roy Keane.

KOH

[WeAreRovers]

Did he beat El Hadji Diouf and Rustu Recbar? How about Hong Moon Bo?

I think he sneaked in just ahead of Mia Hann.


Form your own opinions, don't just support or oppose something because you see it in the pages of some rag or other.

Form my own opinions? I'm possibly even more opinionated than you Conor - and that's really saying something.

[B}Anyway, I've read plenty of pieces in the Times praising Keane. Does that change your opinion about him? [/B]

I'm no fan of the Irish Times or Tom Humphries but he's 100% bang on about Saipan/Keane/McCarthy etc. Just as he was about Michelle De Bruin and nobody wanted to listen then either.

KOH

[lopez]

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Ah diddums. You poor lad.

I think you're the one that needs their nappy changing.

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Normally I couldn't give a toss about someones accent but McCarthy and his apologists in the British media have been patronising us for far too long.

Obviously you weren't around in the days of 'Jack Charlton's Republic of Ireland.'

Originally posted by WeAreRovers

McCarthy is such a gob****e that he gave an interview to the Observer pre WC2002 in which he castigated Ireland, the Irish people and the Irish media. Obviously under the impression that nobody here reads the Observer.

Date of interview please? I can't find it in the Guardian/Observer archive. I'm thinking you're a bullsh*tter as well as a narrow minded eejit. Time to prove me wrong, like footie fan!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Even now the British media think he did a good job with Ireland. Their view being that even qualifying a "minnow" country like Ireland is an achievment in itself.

Someone who's done any better?

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Nonsense, we had a great chance to get to the WC semis but the only person who truly believed was sent home by that Yorkshire fool.

More like woke up to reality and caused a situation to be sent home. BTW, didn't he threaten to walk the previous day? Oh and why not say what you really feel and follow your hero and call McCarthy an English c*nt?

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
The British media love McCarthy and hate Keane - witness the complete lack of recognition when Pele said Keane would be in his top 5 not to mind his top 125. Not a peep out of the Brit rags.

Top 5? Oh my sides!

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
I'll never stop having a go at McCarthy - it's a free world after all, even if my views annoy the kind of people who'd rather see Jason McAteer play for Ireland than Roy Keane.

I'd rather have Jamie Oliver in the side and I can't stand that Mockney muppett.

[WeAreRovers]

Jack Charlton - Don't get me started on him, now there was a 100% bona fide English cnut. I'm old enough to remember long before Jack Charlton started to bore us to tears. His treatment of Liam Brady (probably our greatest ever player) was as bad as McCarthy's treatment of Irwin.

Incidentally Keane never called McCarthy an English cnut (as both parties have acknowledged but don't let that get in the way of your misinformed opinions)

Oh, and the top 5 was Pele's not mine so take it up with him.

KOH

[Declan_Michael]

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Ah diddums. You poor lad.

Normally I couldn't give a toss about someones accent but McCarthy and his apologists in the British media have been patronising us for far too long.

McCarthy is such a gob****e that he gave an interview to the Observer pre WC2002 in which he castigated Ireland, the Irish people and the Irish media. Obviously under the impression that nobody here reads the Observer.

Even now the British media think he did a good job with Ireland. Their view being that even qualifying a "minnow" country like Ireland is an achievment in itself. Nonsense, we had a great chance to get to the WC semis but the only person who truly believed was sent home by that Yorkshire fool.

The British media love McCarthy and hate Keane - witness the complete lack of recognition when Pele said Keane would be in his top 5 not to mind his top 125. Not a peep out of the Brit rags.

I'll never stop having a go at McCarthy - it's a free world after all, even if my views annoy the kind of people who'd rather see Jason McAteer play for Ireland than Roy Keane.

KOH

Whats all this about the British press? I live in Britain and can tell you when it comes to soccer we get a decent press. Maybe people in the British media criticise Keane because they don't view him with green tinted specticles. Remember the 'I don't do friendlies', the Alfie Haaland tackle, the Porto keeper. Yeah, suppose the British press should have turned a blind eye to all of that. Spare me the 'Brits are out to get the Irish' crap. Keane is making a few quid in little old england. Wasn't he doing an ad for Walkers crisps when Tayto were laying staff off? The people who treat Ireland like a "minnow" country are those that would rather see Roy 'the one man team' Keane on the pitch rather than 11 committed, average players.
The so-called Oirish media acted exactly like the British press when they went after McCarthy. Maybe England might have won the world cup if any of their managers were ever given the chance by the press.
Irish press? You mean the Oirish indo/star/mirror/sun. Yeah, bet most of the reporters are paid in sterling. I think the Irish press consists of Eamon Dunphy's anti McCarthy bile.

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by Plastic Paddy
Despite McCarthy's failings, he was the best Irishman for the job at the time. Where he was born and reared has f all to do with it. What exactly do you wish to imply by commenting on it in this context anyway?

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Ah diddums. You poor lad.

Spare me the patronising **** and answer my question: What exactly do you wish to imply to commenting on it in this context anyway? I think Lopez has it right enough. Why don't you just come out and say it?

And as for the rest of your comments, the majority of respondents to your ill-informed bile can't be wrong.

PP

[lopez]

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Jack Charlton - Don't get me started on him, now there was a 100% bona fide English cnut.

Apologies! I should have said 'narrow minded bigot.' Still waiting for this mysterious article.

Tell you what I found in the Observer of April 21 2002, though.

...As Eamonn Dunphy, the scourge of the previous incumbent, observed the day before the match, McCarthy has been allowed to develop in the job because the nation has given him time and space. He started poorly and, as Dunphy says: 'He would have been sacked a long time ago if he were in charge of the England team.' But it is not just the impressive run of results that has made his job safe; it is the calmness he brings to the task. He combines humour and directness (leprechaun meets Tyke?) and gives the media what they want and little more...

Dunphy's very public argument with Charlton about tactics and what he regarded as the Englishman's waste of good players has almost faded out of earshot, but it had a profound effect on the development of Irish football, and was all the more beneficial for that.

As he says, McCarthy's team 'is much more than the sum of its parts', which you could hardly say about some of Big Jack's teams. 'If you break [this team] down to individuals, you would wonder how on earth they were to compete. But they are playing football now. You could put that down to Roy Keane and the team ethic, also the contributions of Staunton and Quinn. Robbie Keane also is obviously very useful. 'They have an advantage in that expectations are lower than elsewhere too. Coming into the England team for instance can be an ordeal [for a young player]. Getting into the Ireland team is not like that.

'The level of expectancy, the media hype is totally different here. Just look at the way Keane and Beckham have been treated, both captains of their country, both playing for the same club side. The Prime Minister here is a football fanatic, a huge Manchester United fan too, but he has not asked questions in the House.

'This Ireland team is like a very good club side. And the very best club sides always punch above their weight, which Ireland have been doing.'

There are other factors contributing to the calm that attends Irish football. There are very few off-field scandals, for instance - which is not to say there are no shenanigans. It is just that the Irish have more a French attitude to what is sometimes erroneously called 'scandal' than an English outlook.

Dunphy, who is writing Roy Keane's biography, regularly meets McCarthy and some of the players at Dublin's classy night-spot, Lillie's, and says this is a side at ease with itself. They just don't get caught up in trouble...

The 'gob****e' McCarthy's interview 'in which he castigated...the Irish media' wasn't complaining about the backstabbing that goes on in the country, was it?

http://football.guardian.co.uk/world...687842,00.html

[Declan_Michael]

Originally posted by Conor74
Was that the ad where he dressed up as a leprechaun? As tipping the hat goes, it was right up there with Foster and Allen appearing in leprechaun outfits on Top of the Pops...

Yep think they ran the ad for about a week and then reverted back to Gary Lineker/El Tel and Bobby Robson

[Beavis]

Originally posted by Lopez
Date of interview please? I can't find it in the Guardian/Observer archive. I'm thinking you're a bullsh*tter as well as a narrow minded eejit. Time to prove me wrong, like footie fan!

Yeah, I smell waffle.....Seems rather childish to make things up in order to prove a point

[lopez]

Originally posted by Conor74
Was that the ad where he dressed up as a leprechaun? As tipping the hat goes, it was right up there with Foster and Allen appearing in leprechaun outfits on Top of the Pops...

My God!!!! Is this true?

[Declan_Michael]

In fairness 'Big Jack' was and still is a scrounging tosspot. He had his fingers in so many pies he had to start using his toes. He's an ignorant, self publicising git who took the country for a ride. Good riddance.

Yes, I fully enjoyed that ride. Beating England at Euro '88, being a whisker away from the semi final. Beating Romania in 1990 and getting to the last 8. Beating Italy in 1994. So he had a few advertising deals hardly uncommon for a footballer - at least his ads were in Ireland, unlike K***e's affiliation with Diadora and Walkers.

[Declan_Michael]

Come on Declan. A three legged dog would have done better with the string of Irish talent at Charlton's disposal. He ruined the creative flair they had in abundance. My point is with a manager who knew how to get the best out of those players we would have done so much better.

Isn't it amazing how people forget the amount of work Roy has done for the Special Olympics and the National Guide Dogs for the Blind down the years without a penny being handed over.

I somehow can't see the grumpy Geordie doing the same....

Charlton turned Irish international football around. Sure, the football wasn't pretty but any supporter following didn't care. We were beating England, Italy - top sides when we had previously failed to qualify for anything. You can't criticise one man for doing commercials when most do anyway. Keane's work at the Special Olympics was nothing unordinary but sections of the press made him out to be a great man, flawed genius, hated by the english media. It was all tired cliches. Brian Kerr, Damien Duff, the Corrs and countless others were there to support the athletes. Seemed like the special Olympics was just a way Keane could butter up the press after embarassing his country.