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    Quote:
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    Paul McGrath as part of the team under a continental manager would be a good move and MCGrath has offered himself for this role.

    What are you basing this on?


    Quote Originally Posted by bohsRap View Post
    What are you basing this on?
    An interview with Paul McGrath !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bohsRap View Post
    I like the idea but you're basing his playing career on his coaching ability. For all we know he's a crap coach, he could be brilliant either, but why take the chance on our national team?
    Exactly - it would be yet another gamble.

    Presumably, if the appointment of the new manager is done correctly (I know, I know) - the new manager should have his own ideas of who carries out the defensive coaching.

    The players will be in shock as they haven't been coached as a team at International level in at least 2 years.
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    Souness was also asked: "Why do you constantly fall out with your players, and why don't you instead try and bury the hatchet instead of putting the club in jeopardy?"

    He said: "Who is constantly falling out with players? I totally deny that. The only player I have fallen out with here is Craig Bellamy.

    "I pick players on how they train and how they play in matches. I cannot fall out with people because our personalities are not matched. I have to be far bigger than that. That's not what management is about.

    "What it is about is doing the best for the football club which employs you and that means picking the players you think are doing the business at the time.

    "Whose are these players I am supposed to have fallen out with? Andy Cole? I rest my case. David Dunn? I rest my case. Craig Bellamy? I rest my case. Andy Todd? I rest my case. Dwight Yorke? We only fell out once at one training session.

    "Don't forget, I have managed hundreds of players in my 19 years as a manager. So I have fallen out with five of them? I rest my case."
    "You need dictatorships and poverty to produce great footballers."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie View Post
    Paul McGrath offered to help out organising the defence on Newstalk's Off The Ball recently. A role he might have some efficacy in. Given how abject the defence performed in the recent Qualification tournament for Euro 2008, heaven knows it needs some help. I think the FAI should look into this offer. He would be working under the head coach/manager of the team and could improve us defensively. Given we as a national team rarely score goals, the fewer we concede the better our chances.
    This is the type of idea that should be integrated into the Under 21 squad. There seems to be a laissez-faire attitude to the aspirations of the grade as it is, so I don't see what harm it would do. You could have Alan Kelly doing the keepers, Paul McGrath defence, and Aldridge doing the attack. If they are interested in helping their countries (and the future of the country) soccer team out I'm sure they won't mind doing it at any level.

    Another question. What would people think of Steve Heighway being approached for the U21 gig? He was hounded out of liverpool despite back to back youth cup wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceirtlis View Post
    He was brought in to Newcastle for exactly the reasons of which you speak. He was a disaster there.

    Disaster... At best they were no worse off when he left than they were when he took over.... What happened at Leeds or Forrest is a disaster...
    I pity the fool!.... But suggest ways that he might improve himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr_peepee View Post
    What happened at Leeds or Forrest is a disaster...
    ...or Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scram View Post

    An interview with Paul McGrath !!
    So you think he would be good because he says so?

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    Other than McGrath who could we get as a defensive coach? If you're looking at past players then the only other viable candidate that has experience with us as a defender is Steve Staunton. I wonder whether that could work out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmurphyc View Post
    Other than McGrath who could we get as a defensive coach? If you're looking at past players then the only other viable candidate that has experience with us as a defender is Steve Staunton. I wonder whether that could work out?
    The defensive coach doesn't have to an ex player or Irish for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    The defensive coach doesn't have to an ex player or Irish for that matter.
    Of course he doesn't, merely joking. In fact, considering the experience of coaching that most of our ex-players have (as far as I'm aware) I'd rather we DIDN'T go for an ex-player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmurphyc View Post
    Of course he doesn't, merely joking. In fact, considering the experience of coaching that most of our ex-players have (as far as I'm aware) I'd rather we DIDN'T go for an ex-player.
    Yeah - have no fear. The FAI are on the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr_peepee View Post
    Forrest is a disaster...
    Well, stupid is as stupid does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr_peepee View Post
    Disaster... At best they were no worse off when he left than they were when he took over.... What happened at Leeds or Forrest is a disaster...

    Fcuking hell man. He took over a club who had just missed out on Champions League qualification the season before, whose previous three finishes were 4th 3rd 5th, and a club that was back playing attractive football.

    He left a squad torn apart by unneccessary sales of key and squad players, ravaged by muscle injuries mostly picked up in training. There was no planning involved in his reign, his selections were poor, he proved to be tactically inept. Glenn Roeder barely saved them from relegation. In terms of on his appointment declaring that this was the best squad he had the 'pleaseure' of working with, being expected to finish top 6 and only managing a low mid table position, ripping apart a talented squad and signing players like Boumsong and Faye, he was a disaster
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr_peepee View Post
    Disaster... At best they were no worse off when he left than they were when he took over.... What happened at Leeds or Forrest is a disaster...
    I wish there was a head shaking smiley instead of this fool of a thing for comments like this. Philly Hughes summed it up perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onephillyhughes View Post
    Fcuking hell man. He took over a club who had just missed out on Champions League qualification the season before, whose previous three finishes were 4th 3rd 5th, and a club that was back playing attractive football.

    He left a squad torn apart by unneccessary sales of key and squad players, ravaged by muscle injuries mostly picked up in training. There was no planning involved in his reign, his selections were poor, he proved to be tactically inept. Glenn Roeder barely saved them from relegation. In terms of on his appointment declaring that this was the best squad he had the 'pleaseure' of working with, being expected to finish top 6 and only managing a low mid table position, ripping apart a talented squad and signing players like Boumsong and Faye, he was a disaster
    Look... I don't have Sounness on some sort of pedestal. He's not as bad an option as some of you are making out is all I'm saying. He's not alone in failing at Newcastle... His record as a club manager in deceptively good, even if you exclude Rangers.

    I feel the that next manager of Ireland is gonna need more than just an in depth technical knowledge of the game, given what has set in with the squad.
    I pity the fool!.... But suggest ways that he might improve himself.

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    I like Souness, and I'm glad to see that this thread has yet to have any nonsense about an ex-Rangers man being an Irish manager. Personally I think Souness could be cut out for the job, he wouldn't be my first choice (Jol would be mine), but to get spirited performances out of the Irish team I think he could do it.

    As for his managerial career, he did good stuff with Rangers and Galatasary, failed at Benfica, joined a Southampton team that was in free-fall and couldn't stop it, failed like every other Newcastle manager, and did a good job at Blackburn, but brought them as far as he could. Not a great record, not a bad record, but until Ireland get more credible candidates to declare an interest I'd have to say he has a good chance of getting the job

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    If Souness and O'Leary are the only available candidates at this moment in time then we should keep on looking. I honestly believe that if we take on either of these two men then we'll continue to be treading water in the murky waters of international football. Whatever slim chance we have of qualifying for the World Cup in 2010 becomes anorexic. I personally would prefer to go down the 'foreign' route if Steve Coppell/Hodgson wasn't availalble or not interested.
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    Duff played his best football under Souness at Blackburn. He might be a reasonable manager. Then again..

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    I always found him to be a very annoying person as a club manager but since he's come to RTE he's gone way up in my estimation and I now could almost say that I like him. He seems to have a bit of a sense of humour at least which never came across before, and what I like a lot from recent interviews is his declaration that he thinks it would be a great job to get given the quality of the squad, presumably with that corresponding to him having reasonably high expectations.

    I think his CV is ok, did well in cup competitions with Blackburn and Newcastle and has had a taste of Turkish, Italian and Portugese leagues over the years. His biggest weaknesses seemed to be poor transfer dealings and rubbing players up the wrong way from time to time. The former might suggest he isn't a great judge of a player's talents. But I wouldn't be that worried about his man management skills given he won't be meeting the players everyday and with international football I think he'd be less combustible without the constant stress. Overall, he wouldn't be my ideal, but at the same time I wouldn't be overly disappointed if he got the job.

    For anyone who didn't see him, or was too drunk to remember, discuss his interest with Darragh Moloney on RTE last night, you can see it by scrolling down to the bottom of this page and clicking the link.

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    Duff played his best football under Souness at Blackburn. He might be a reasonable manager. Then again
    Nah, surely Duff played his best football under the great Mick McCarthy for Ireland. Recognized by him being picked in the WC 2002 team of that tournament.

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