Borovo Selo actually, it's about 10km outside of Vukovar... it's where the war started. Croatian militia attacked the town with missiles from Austria. Mihajlovic 's mum was Croat his dad was Serb, he always said he was a "Yugoslav" not a Croat or a Serb.Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
This is a documentary about it in Serbo Croat with French subtitles.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...st+yugoslavian
Thanks for the link I have wanted that film for ages. I tried to download it hopefully it worked. Sinisa did see himself as a Yugoslav as did many people with mixed ethnic parentage and indeed several minority ethic groups did too. Ot was an inclusive identity unlike the narrow nationalistic identities which the Federation split into.
Nope Che takes it, in that his image has been raped by capitalism until he has become eternally linked with that ideology. McDonalds and America have never pretending to be anything other than money driven whores.
As for Celtic being left wing, don't make me ****ing laugh is all I'll say. Sure they have left wing elements, as do Rangers, but on a whole they haven't taken a political stance as a club since they realised there was money to be had in appealing to everyone, it just so happens that that includes people who like to think they are left wing because they own a Palestinian flag. I'd say Celtic are seen as left wing to Rangers right wing because of the BNP nonsense that a lot of Rangers' supporters tend to go in for in talk, if not in action.
As for Eircom League clubs, well there's a split in the L37 fans (or 4 of us to be precise) in what flags to bring. So far we have brought the flags of Cuba, the Basque, Palestine, Israel, and the USA among others, but we have also paraded a Lazio flag and a Hellas Verona one as well. I think it's more fun for us than any serious political divide (I mean Israel fair enough, but the US flag?!?)
There is something sinister with that Limerick 37 logo.
You call that a left wing element?
It's clearly 'we are right wing but we don't mind the odd black joining'.
The only left / right divide I know of in LOI football is the one where you head north up towards Drumcondra and you turn left for Bohs, turn right for Shels.
Why would I crucify you? Maybe your implication that the working class are automatically left wing?FCB have about 50 right wing ultras. Thats not an understimate.
Irish football is not politicised and any attempt from fans on here to say their club is "left wing" is ridiculous. Yeah BohsPartisan, I'm talking to you...
Calling Celtic or Hibs left wing is ridiculous. Just because a clubs' fans are less right wing than their major rivals doesn't mean they're left wing.
Roma fans are a classic example of this. Less right wing than Lazio but nothing like communists. Their "Irish Clan" group being on the most right wing factions they have, using the well known fascist symbol; the celtic cross.
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Very enjoyable thread lads.
I'd always thought Hibs had a much more genuine Irish working class genesis than the Glasgow team that has appropriated that heritage, but Ltid's early post seems to suggest both Scottish clubs are now much of a muchness.
In the Irish context, there are identifiable left wing roots in local Junior soccer in Galway, but nothing on a national scale comes to mind.
East of the river Corrib, Mervue United had working class beginnings, while on the west Salthill Devon would always have been seen as part of a socail elite rather than any rabid form of Toryism. But the Celtic Tiger seems to have blurred all boundaries and the challenge for all teams now is to attract the next generation of players.
Clubs from county Galway (rather than the city) are the ones achieving success and honours now.This has something to do with greater mobillity of players, I think. In the past, you went to games in a car, packing in as many players as you could. Now, a player who previously was confined to playing for his local team, can move to any club he wants to in his district league area. My local club hired a coach last week for a team of 12year olds and treated them to a pre and post match meal. Okay it was a long journey, but it was literally a million miles away from my own pre-teen years when you brought boots, shorts, packed into the car, hoped it didn't break down, p***ed in the bushes, and were grateful to wear a damp jersey at least six sizes too big, that the lad in charge (we never had "coaches") had nicked / borrowed off his older broother, or a lad down the road. Not quite Angelas Ashes, but we can forget any pretensions to left wing / working class heritage, where I come from, despite being a dyed in the wool Michael D. Higgins supporter.
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Did the Liverpool and Everton fans take an active part in the Left Wing movement in the 80s, ie fighting Skinheads and the far right rallys?? I dont know the history or traditions of the fans so I wont pretend to know the story or draw a conclusion. And as for the other comment, I have never read so something so stupid in all my life? Please tell me how Che Guevara is a symbol of capitalism? Anyway its irrelevant, you can be left wing and capitalist.Bullspit
By the logic you're using Liverpool and Everton are far left clubs
LMFAO
If there's a bigger symbo of capitalism today then a picture of fcuking Che Guevara I'm yet to see it
Bobby Grant certainly was a left wing activist. Not sure if he was a red or a blue though.
In France PSG would be considered very right wing (particularly the Boulogne Boys) but the other curva (Auteil, Lutece etc) appears to be a lose alliance more to the left and who have fought on and off with the right wing element over the past few years, frequently having to be segregated in away grounds.
We were strongly advised not to bring the Che banner.....and didn't.
It's funny people asking who is left etc.Nope Che takes it, in that his image has been raped by capitalism until he has become eternally linked with that ideology. McDonalds and America have never pretending to be anything other than money driven whores.
As for Celtic being left wing, don't make me ****ing laugh is all I'll say. Sure they have left wing elements, as do Rangers, but on a whole they haven't taken a political stance as a club since they realised there was money to be had in appealing to everyone, it just so happens that that includes people who like to think they are left wing because they own a Palestinian flag. I'd say Celtic are seen as left wing to Rangers right wing because of the BNP nonsense that a lot of Rangers' supporters tend to go in for in talk, if not in action.
As for Eircom League clubs, well there's a split in the L37 fans (or 4 of us to be precise) in what flags to bring. So far we have brought the flags of Cuba, the Basque, Palestine, Israel, and the USA among others, but we have also paraded a Lazio flag and a Hellas Verona one as well. I think it's more fun for us than any serious political divide (I mean Israel fair enough, but the US flag?!?
Celtic and Rangers are not really anything because as you said their is too much money to be made from everyone.
Slightly off the subject of teams, in Sinn Fein, Gerry Adams is a lefty but McGinness(sp?) is known to be very much on the right. ALthough I do accept Sinn Fein are on the left as a party.
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The club itself has no political ethos but we have a lot of leftie fans is all I'm saying.
Probably true for quite a few EL clubs though.
Having said that, being democratically owned and run we are always going to be more left wing than the St. Pats Corporation!
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
Well there was a socialist council elected in Liverpool at the time
Besides 80s being a key bit again. It's the year 2007.
D'uh.........
You don't read your own posts??And as for the other comment, I have never read so something so stupid in all my life?
I fear any attempted explanation without the aid of sock puppets would be futilePlease tell me how Che Guevara is a symbol of capitalism?
More my implication that since there apparently isn't such a thing as a Catalan working class any more Espanyol are the actual club of the people in BarcelonaWhy would I crucify you? Maybe your implication that the working class are automatically left wing?
The Boixes Nois are allowed to be pretty fcukin visible for such a small groupFCB have about 50 right wing ultras. Thats not an understimate.
Why not crush the muppets??
While I'm at it, anyone who identifies with Irish Republicanism in the Sinn Fein understanding of it can't class themselves as left wing. What's left wing about hating someone else because of their creed?? Or having economics policies written largely in crayon??
The fcukin stupidity of anyone claiming an exclusionist business like Celtic (And yes I know they are not as exclusionist as Rangers blah, blah, Jock Stein Prod blah, blah) is some paragon of far left virtue is baffling
Tell you what Da Real Rover, next time your over in Paradise inc. start singing James Connolly in the stand see how far you get.
Left wing my hole
The Old Firm. Two clubs who grew fat off sectarianism and now that it's no longer hip are trying to wash their hands of all association
Agree wholeheartedly.
We've differed on loads Ltid, but you're smack on the money there IMO.
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Why not crush the muppets??
That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
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Could someone tell me how Che's image isn't a symbol of capitalism at this stage? Read this before answering please
So only the working class count as people now?More my implication that since there apparently isn't such a thing as a Catalan working class any more Espanyol are the actual club of the people in Barcelona
Visible but still tiny (in numbers). There's no real need to crush them as they're pretty redundant at this stageThe Boixes Nois are allowed to be pretty fcukin visible for such a small group
Why not crush the muppets??
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