QuoteYes you really get that left wing, warm, fuzzy, everyone together feeling around Parkhead when Rangers/Hearts/Dundee etc. visitOriginally Posted by Da Real Rover
About as truly left-wing as AC Milan, who also claim to be left of the center
Does anyone know of clubs with a big left wing tradition in World football? I know of the likes of Livorno, Marseille, St Pauli, Celtic, Hibs, Besiktas etc but any other information would be appreciated.
Yes you really get that left wing, warm, fuzzy, everyone together feeling around Parkhead when Rangers/Hearts/Dundee etc. visit
If Celtic are left wing well then so are Man Utd as Ferguson voted Labour once.
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You're taking the pi$$ right??
Maybe back in the 80s when all the fans were on the dole
Olympiacos are another club of the left from the docks area of Athens
In Italy other left wing clubs would be Atalanta, Bologna (Far left) and Perugia (Very far left)
Roma and Fiorentina would have traditionally been clubs of the left but their curvas have ceded to the far right in recent years
I'm sure there's a good few more examples in Italy, they're all I can think of off the top of my head at the minute
Football in Germany and Spain* wouldn't be as politicised but just for example 1860 Munich would be the working class yin to FC Bayerns middle class yang
*Any ultras there are in Spain are almost by definition far right
The club of the working class in Madrid is Rayo Vallecano.
The club of the working class in Seville would be Real Betis.
(Going to be crucified by Dodge) Many Espanyol fans would be second or third generation working class "immigrants" into Catalonia. Would be very much a right wing club though
Levante from the docks area of Valencia would be considered leftist
In fairness their curva would still consider themselves anti-facist and would sing The Red Flag, Bella Ciao etc with the Livorno fans when they visit.About as truly left-wing as AC Milan, who also claim to be left of the center
Pity about the clubs owner
Of course, Berlusconi is the modern day Lenin.
I recently read John Foot's book on Italian football "Calcio" which gave some political background to some of the clubs. Livorno are traditionally the left club but others have defined political leanings too or their fans do.
Lazio's fans, not the club, associate themselves with the neo-Fascist movement in Italy. Celtic crosses are a Fascist symbol in Italy. Roma's fans have switched back and forth between right and left at various stages over the years. Verona (iirc) have a strong reputation as a racist club. I could get more info if I remembered what page to look for.
I also took out a book from the college library yesterday called "Understanding Soccer Hooliganism". If there's anything to do with political leanings I'll report back.
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Many fans of both Hibs and Celtic are members of the James Connolly socialist society (not the exact name). There fans were also extremely active in the Red Action movement in the 80s. More noteable examples was Red Action recruiting members of the CSC and CCS as the front lines in the marches against the skin heads and BNP hate rallys. Who ever said the left wing was warm and fuzzy?? All facts and now time to throw your condescendingYes you really get that left wing, warm, fuzzy, everyone together feeling around Parkhead when Rangers/Hearts/Dundee etc. visit
Milan may lean to the left in repsonse to Internazionale being a shower of nazis from top to bottom.
They were originally called Ambrossiana but changed it in the 30s..
Their fans displayed banners about Arkan to appease their fascist players Stankovic and Mijhailovic.
Lazio are just as bad.
Sinisa Mihajlovic comes from Vukovar and his family were subjected to death threats during the Civil War until he managed to get them out to Italy. Civil Wars give rise to that sort of thing on a huge scale as well as atrocities where sometimes literally it's neighbour against neighbour or as happened here, brother against brother . I think given what happened to his family some of his views have been coloured by his experiences. While I disassociate myself completely from Fascism you have to understand that he might have issues with the people who forced his family to flee Vukovar permanently.He would be a bloody saint if he didn't have issues over that episode.
I don't know much about Stankovic so I am not in a position to comment about his view opinions or experiences one way or the other. Except to say that given Mr. Hitler's opinions about Slavs that Slavs who are Fascist are a bit like turkeys who vote for Christmas!
Last edited by CollegeTillIDie; 27/10/2007 at 7:48 PM.
You don't know much about WWII either.
Hitler sent hundreds of thousands of Slavs to the gas chambers. As he outlined in his Mein Kampf they were next on his hitlist after The Jews.
From ex Yugoslavia alone , there were around 250,000 Serbs. What is your point exactly?
He's probably talking about the Ustashe, some very fascist Slavs.
So Livorno fans would welcome Lazio fans witth open arms? You'll struggle to find a more reactionary bunch of fans than at Rangers and Hearts in Scotland.Yes you really get that left wing, warm, fuzzy, everyone together feeling around Parkhead when Rangers/Hearts/Dundee etc. visit
Yes Poor Student I am talking about them . Understanding about that outfit explains a lot of the factors which contributed to the Civil War in ex-Yugoslavia. The Krajina Serbs did not wish to be governed by their neighbours the Croats , which was/is the nationality of the Ustashe. The Bosnian Serbs in Eastern Bosnia had similar reservations and also had an issue with President Itzebegovic, The Bosnian Muslim leader, who wrote a paper in the 1960's advocating a Muslim State. That was interpreted by Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats alike to mean Sharia Law and was baulked at hugely.
To get back to my previous post Hitler had Slavic people in general as second on his list of ''untermenschen'' for obliteration after The Jews in '' Mein Kampf ''. Hence my comments about Fascist Slavs being like turkeys who vote for Christmas.
I don't think either of the big two clubs in Belgrade can be described as Left wing now even though they were both founded in 1945, one being Partizan , which would hint at left-wingness; and Red Star. I mean how Communist a symbol do you need? But neither in their present form and certainly not in their support bases could be described as left-wing in 2007.
Surely everyone in this country can understand that people hold grudges against other nations about things that happened in the past. This can also influence political views. In Mihajlovic's case it actually happened in his lifetime.
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I don't much about the current Partizan fan base but from what I know they were the more left leaning club. Red Star tend to attract the scummier ultra nationalist Cetnik type.
Environment can explain but can't excuse support for a cretinous thug like Arkan. I thought the whole Arkan banner thing happened at Lazio. I thought things had cooled off by the time both moved to Inter.
I thought the Belgrade clubs were not necessarily divided on left wing or right wing politics?
Were Partizan not the club of all nationalities in the former Yugoslavia and advocated the whole Yugoslav identity. They were Titos club in Belgrade.
While Red Star were the serbian nationalist club and were fiercely patriotic. After the calamity of Milosovic it was these fans who were heavely involved in the sparking of the demonstrations against him for how he screwed the country.
manchester united always a couple of good left wingers.
best, giggs and this ronaldo fella could be one of the best left wingers ever
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To get back to my previous post Hitler had Slavic people in general as second on his list of ''untermenschen'' for obliteration after The Jews in '' Mein Kampf ''. Hence my comments about Fascist Slavs being like turkeys who vote for Christmas.
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Fascism is not defined purely in terms of German National Socialism.
Funny....
80s being the important word there mate.
As I had already pointed out above.
BTW, political wing of the INLA?!?!
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