How come Dulin Clubs can't get the crowds?

**Blue Muff** · 15/05/2003, 2:55 PM

Dont thinks so Mr Sheliban - Check the stats on "crowd attendances" - We are expecting 5000 on Friday against Rovers and thats with a small Rovers support as they were travelling last week! How many are yee expecting for your next home game?

This is not a once off either 3,500 against Bohs, 3,000 against Pats and 3,500 against Shels. When we were in the first division for all those years our average gate was 1,500. Do you think many clubs can boast that kind of support - granted its unlikely that yee would be in the first but **** happens

**The Sheliban** · 15/05/2003, 3:01 PM

How many are we expecting for our next home game?

Er, 6,000.

We are consistently pulling in 3,000. I'm not going to argue about the odd few. If you insist our crowds are smaller, I agree. I say they're in and around.

Ironically, when we were relegated, our crowds took a sharp hike!! Better to follow a successful side in a lower division, than a struggling side in the top flight??? Words of warning, in case you hit a slump [which I hope you won't]

**Blue Muff** · 15/05/2003, 3:06 PM

Point taken - the el crowds are growing and the league is gettin stronger. I still think the sooner UCD are gone and a regional team with a half decent core following comes in the better

**patsh** · 15/05/2003, 5:40 PM

$hels have always been one of the stalwarts of the national league and it is silly to suggest that they be gotten rid of.
UCD, on the other hand, while they are there by right, I feel that when they go down for next season, the premier league will be better off without them.
This is nothing personal against the club or anyone involved, but they contribute absolutely nothing to the overall well being of the league. Sorry....

**TommyT** · 15/05/2003, 5:45 PM

Originally posted by The Sheliban
We are consistently pulling in 3,000. I'm not going to argue about the odd few. If you insist our crowds are smaller, I agree. I say they're in and around.

Give or take what ? A couple of thousand ? It obvious you haven't got a clue.

Shels do average more than those clubs but only on the back of neutrals and Dublin derbies cos their always in the running for trophies

**pineapple stu** · 15/05/2003, 5:46 PM

Originally posted by Blue Muff
I still think the sooner UCD are gone and a regional team with a half decent core following comes in the better

Like who? Remember the hassle when Francis pulled out and only two teams were willing to come into the league?

And I said our crowds were up 20%, not 20, as was said earlier. And they look like being up 20 again this year, including an actual home element now for the first time in ages, so in a few years, we should be getting 2000 average. What non-league side can say that?

**pineapple stu** · 15/05/2003, 5:46 PM

Originally posted by Conor74
Would this be an appropriate point to mention once again that whole unfortunate Union Jack waving incident....

What was that again?

Or do I want to know?!

**The Sheliban** · 15/05/2003, 7:53 PM

Originally posted by TommyT
Give or take what ? A couple of thousand ? It obvious you haven't got a clue.

Shels do average more than those clubs but only on the back of neutrals and Dublin derbies cos their always in the running for trophies

So we get bigger crowds because we have more neutrals?
Do Bohs and Pats get a lot of neutrals when they're in the running for trophies? Only Shels, is it?

And I'm the one who doesn't have a clue???

**The Sheliban** · 15/05/2003, 7:56 PM

Originally posted by pineapple stu

What was that again?

Or do I want to know?!

Oh, don't ask.

When Queen Victoria last came to Ireland, all the Dubs lined the streets waving Union Jacks at her.
And during the 1916 Rebellion, Dublin got no help from the provinces.
So all Dubs are ******es.
And so are all non-Dubs.

Its the logic that excites me really.

**southside bohs** · 15/05/2003, 9:52 PM

Originally posted by The Sheliban
Oh, don't ask.

When Queen Victoria last came to Ireland, all the Dubs lined the streets waving Union Jacks at her.
And during the 1916 Rebellion, Dublin got no help from the provinces.
So all Dubs are ******es.
And so are all non-Dubs.

Its the logic that excites me really.

stop bringing up history it was nearly half a century ago if the queen came over now there would be killings i would not think she would get the same applause and where are you originaly from the north?

**Gary** · 15/05/2003, 10:16 PM

And I said our crowds were up 20%, not 20, as was said earlier. And they look like being up 20 again this year, including an actual home element now for the first time in ages, so in a few years, we should be getting 2000 average. What non-league side can say that?

To be fair Stu, for you lot to be getting over 2000 is a long long time away. Not been to belfield in 18 months, but from what ive heard, very little has changed.

Dublin teams aren't really seen as representing a specific area, never mind the whole city or county, so they can't really capitalise on that.

IMO, thats something which should/could be hugely capitalised upon. Local pride. Im from Togher in Cork and always look ourt for Everton (togher) AFC results. Would love if they could make it into the League. Id imagine alot of ppl from the surrounding area would support them. Ditto Rockmount by the dirty northsiders in Cork.

thats with a small Rovers support as they were travelling last week!

Sure those scum c�nts havent a good support even when they are at home. And you say they were travelling last weeks. Sure those scumbags are all travellers.

**UCD_4_Life** · 15/05/2003, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by oddboy
$hels have always been one of the stalwarts of the national league and it is silly to suggest that they be gotten rid of.
UCD, on the other hand, while they are there by right, I feel that when they go down for next season, the premier league will be better off without them.
This is nothing personal against the club or anyone involved, but they contribute absolutely nothing to the overall well being of the league. Sorry....

I'm getting really tired of people taking U.C.D. as a scapegoat for the league's wider problems. So right we go down then what if Dublin City and/or Kildare County come up? (which is fairly likely). They have even an even smaller following than we do so will people give them the same amount of abuse as you give us? Will you just say the same things about them because they're in the Dublin area? Or should there be a big club rule that forbids a club to get promoted unless they get more than 1500 people a week?

Honestly, do you really think that U.C.D. going down will all of a sudden give the league a shot in the arm and people will start showing up elsewhere because we're gone?

We don't "contribute anything to the league overall". Well then send Pat's, Longford and Drogheda down with us. Sure the registration and tax scandals didn't contribute anything to the league overall, did they?

We have contributed our fair share and people are kidding themselves if they think otherwise. We represented the country well in Europe, we have never been in any financial scandals (or any other ones for that matter) and we have brought some of the league's best players through the ranks.

**A face** · 15/05/2003, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by UCD_4_Life
we have never been in any financial scandals (or any other ones for that matter)

I should hope so with all the student grants you are getting .... Is it your fault that fees are being brought back in ??

**TommyT** · 16/05/2003, 1:16 AM

Originally posted by southside bohs
stop bringing up history it was nearly half a century ago if the queen came over now there would be killings i would not think she would get the same applause and where are you originaly from the north?

Queen Victoria and 1916 were nearly half a century ago ??? and you accuse us of living in the past ?

**The Sheliban** · 16/05/2003, 8:24 AM

Southside Bohs, please get someone to teach you how sarcasm works. I was merely responding to a question re the flag waving.

To get back to the thread, I have to admit to having a grudging respect for UCD. Very small support but still managing to hold in there year after year, despite operating at a considerable disadvantage to everybody else. If you want to get rid of them, make sure they finish bottom. Otherwise, they have more of a right to Premiership status than the teams finishing below them.

**The Sheliban** · 16/05/2003, 8:26 AM

Originally posted by southside bohs
stop bringing up history it was nearly half a century ago if the queen came over now there would be killings i would not think she would get the same applause and where are you originaly from the north?

If the queen came over now, she'd be a bit smelly.
She died 101 years ago.

**pineapple stu** · 16/05/2003, 8:53 AM

Originally posted by GWA
To be fair Stu, for you lot to be getting over 2000 is a long long time away. Not been to belfield in 18 months, but from what ive heard, very little has changed.

You hear wrong then (or at least, kind of...)

There's always a good few UCD jerseys around the ground now, and they're on the increase (and I should know, 'cos I sell them). We're starting to tap into Stillorgan and all the other areas, which will see more local fans. We've a new 1200-seater stand going up at the end of the season, should make the ground look better and encourage people to keep coming back.

Last season, we had 1,700/1,800 for Pat's and Bohs at home. These were apparently record crowds for us, but they're not too far off 2,000 themselves. Our attendances against Cork have gone up from 250 in 2001/02, 650 last season to 850 this season - don't think that's to do with a sudden increase in Cork fans travelling to away games!

It'll take time, I don't deny that, but it will happen.

**patsh** · 16/05/2003, 1:30 PM

Originally posted by UCD_4_Life
I'm getting really tired of people taking U.C.D. as a scapegoat for the league's wider problems.

That is a claim not made by me.
A little ott reaction there.

Honestly, do you really think that U.C.D. going down will all of a sudden give the league a shot in the arm and people will start showing up elsewhere because we're gone?

Neither did I claim anything like that.

We don't "contribute anything to the league overall". Well then send Pat's, Longford and Drogheda down with us. Sure the registration and tax scandals didn't contribute anything to the league overall, did they?

Every club could be accused of something which brings the league into disrepute.
UCD has a completely different setup, as far as I know, to every other club in the country. The club has the backing of the University, and as such are a subsidised club, not having to survive in the manner that every other in the country has to.

We have contributed our fair share and people are kidding themselves if they think otherwise. We represented the country well in Europe, we have never been in any financial scandals (or any other ones for that matter) and we have brought some of the league's best players through the ranks.

I said in my post that they are there by right. However, I stand over my opinion that UCD do not operate on a level playing pitch with other clubs.
(Excuse the bad metaphor)

**Woggo** · 16/05/2003, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by GWA

IMO, thats something which should/could be hugely capitalised upon. Local pride. Im from Togher in Cork and always look ourt for Everton (togher) AFC results. Would love if they could make it into the League. Id imagine alot of ppl from the surrounding area would support them. Ditto Rockmount by the dirty northsiders in Cork.

But my point is it's very difficult for Bohs to capitalise on local pride - for a start, **** all people who live in Phibsborough even come from Dublin!! I'm from Glasnevin which is near Dalyer but also near Tolka - ie the top 2 teams in the country over the last few years are both within easy walking distance of where I grew up. As I said it would be different if it was Bohs competing with a regional team - in that case we might get a few more bandwagon fans out to see the Dubs put the culchies in their place, in the same way that Cork undoubtedly cash in on the fact that it's them against dirty jackeen bacstards most weeks! Dublin is simply a completely different type of place to any other Irish town. The number of "outsiders" mean that community spirit is sadly not what it's like elsewhere in the country.

**Soko** · 17/05/2003, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by UCD_4_Life
I'm getting really tired of people taking U.C.D. as a scapegoat for the league's wider problems. So right we go down then what if Dublin City and/or Kildare County come up? (which is fairly likely). They have even an even smaller following than we do so will people give them the same amount of abuse as you give us? Will you just say the same things about them because they're in the Dublin area? Or should there be a big club rule that forbids a club to get promoted unless they get more than 1500 people a week?

Would'nt Limerick not be a bad side to get promoted? All posts talk about City being the only team around and getting all the support and that could be the same in Limerick. Forget the rugby because its its well over now and GAA interests wont last too long either. Waterford are starting to get crowds, so could Limerick. Could also give Rovers a rival for top scumbag fans. (I know thats not a good thing but they are secretly proud of it)