New Provisional Licence Requirements

[Dodge]

instuctors aren't the problem , its testers & their civil servants. The goverments wants to privitise it.

Testers are not civil servants. There are already private companies doing tests

And as long as the government does not give a single page of instruction to testers, there are always going to be problems.

[pete]

instuctors aren't the problem , its testers & their civil servants. The goverments wants to privitise it.

I meant Driving Testers. I could suggest many obstacles but if Ministers want to be paid high sums of money hows about actually delivering?

[Block G Raptor]

Isn't the irish justice system great Gay Byrne would love you.You shouldn't get either.

Why is that Ringo? I made a mistake I've paid for it (I was banned for 2 years)
my ban will be up in August, so yeah I suppose the Irish justice system in this case is great. I committed an offence was caught and punished, I would call that BGR 0-1 Justice system, or in your opinion should I have been banned for Life

[Ringo]

Why is that Ringo? I made a mistake I've paid for it (I was banned for 2 years)
my ban will be up in August, so yeah I suppose the Irish justice system in this case is great. I committed an offence was caught and punished, I would call that BGR 0-1 Justice system, or in your opinion should I have been banned for Life

You weren't even qualified to drive & you were done for Drink driving. yes i do think two years off the road was too little. Can't even make you re-sit your test, because you never sat it in the first place. Coming on here and boasting about how great you are, that you got two years off the road. What if you had killed or hurt someone drink driving?

[osarusan]

You weren't even qualified to drive & you were done for Drink driving. yes i do think two years off the road was too little. Can't even make you re-sit your test, because you never sat it in the first place. Coming on here and boasting about how great you are, that you got two years off the road. What if you had killed or hurt someone drink driving?

Where did he do that? And your hypothetical question is hardly a good arguement.

[Ringo]

Where did he do that? And your hypothetical question is hardly a good arguement.

He never said it was wrong. He justified it by saying he got caught, got a two year ban & basically appears not to care. The fact he’s happy to come on and tell everyone in a matter of fact way about it is surprising. It’s hardly something to boast about. I wonder if he's learned anything, he's 28 now, so he was 26 when it happened, so it can't be put down to immaturity. I douby if it was his first time drink driving. The whole point of punishment, is supposed to be that you learn a lesson & accept you did something wrong. I see no evidence in his posts of any acceptance of doing some wrong or a lesson having been learned.

[Dodge]

You're making an awful lot of assumptions there Ringo. As is standard with you...

I wouldn't be too bothered abotu somebody posting anonymously on the internet about what they have or haven't done.

[osarusan]

He never said it was wrong......... I see no evidence in his posts of any acceptance of doing some wrong

How about this?

I made a mistake I've paid for it

But on the other hand.....

I doubt if it was his first time drink driving.

that is just silly.

For what its worth, I agree with the new laws (at the enforcement of them) and I don't have much time, or any sympathy, for those guilty of DUI.

I just don't think you're being reasonable in your posts.

[dahamsta]

We've had this discussion on Foot.ie before, I don't want to see it again. BGR broke the law, was given a punishment by the state, and that punishment is now complete. End of story.

BGR, don't bring it up on Foot.ie again, it's obviously a contentious issue that causes unnecessary trouble, if I see it again I'll consider it trolling. Everyone else just drop it please, and get back on-topic.

adam

[Ringo]

Is it me or is there a lot more L plates on cars since last weekend?

[pete]

Is it me or is there a lot more L plates on cars since last weekend?

I think there is more around but maybe I am just noticing them now. I think some people might have stuck them on the outside of their cars & now can'y remove them

[Ringo]

The Minister for Transport, Noel Dempsey, has said that thousands of provisional driving licence holders have applied for the driving test since last Thursday

Yesterday, Taoiseach Bertie Ahern said that some drivers were on their 20th provisional driving licence and had never even applied for a driving test.

Some 40,000 drivers have had five or more such licences
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1101/roadsafety.html

[Macy]

Yesterday, Taoiseach Bertie Ahern said that some drivers were on their 20th provisional driving licence and had never even applied for a driving test.

Some 40,000 drivers have had five or more such licences
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1101/roadsafety.html

Fair play sorting out in a matter of months of coming to power, not like they've had 10 years to do something about it or anything.

[John83]

Is it me or is there a lot more L plates on cars since last weekend?

I've just been practising a lot.

[pete]

Some 40,000 drivers have had five or more such licences
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1101/roadsafety.html

Any chance of amending the law to ban them from ever sitting in a car or even applying for the test?

It never ceases to amaze me how some people think the system is against them. One perfect example at work - guy feels he learnt nothing from lessons until he got his own car, failed his test once, crashed into the back of another car, has difficulty parking his car & just got a speeding ticket on the M1 doing 140kph.

Until we prevent people from getting licence/permit without ever having been in car there is not hope.

[rebelarmyexile]

Everyone in this country had failed to notice that the changes to Driving Licences legistation is only a derversionary tactic by the government over the shannon issue.

[Ringo]

Everyone in this country had failed to notice that the changes to Driving Licences legistation is only a derversionary tactic by the government over the shannon issue.

Do you think anyone outside the south west cares about Shannon. i thought it was a derversionary tactic by the government over the wage increases?

[Macy]

i thought it was a derversionary tactic by the government over the wage increases?

Certainly a handy coincidence between the two. Not like they've got form for this or anything. Remember that really crap, tax increasing budget from McCreevy after the last election that got buried under Decentralisation?

Pretty clear that the problems aren't the unions or driver testers, it's the system. IMPACT actually on the radio over the weekend saying they'd have no objection to increased private testers in the context of their agreements. Thing that struck me, which I believe pete raised earlier, is the levels of people not turning up for tests. It's claimed to be 20% of people simply don't show - puts in to perspective the "privatise everything that moves" brigades guff about absentee testers.

[noby]

Highlights another flaw in the system. Apply for test. No show for test means you fail, which means you now can get another provisional. You can see why some people are on a 4th or 5th licence.
Besides the hassle of having a qualified driver with you, has this changed?

[pete]

IMO Transport strategy is possibly the biggest failings of the FF lead governments in the last 10 years. Everyone knows the problems, most people can suggest good solutions & no shortage of money to solve. In fact most solutions would pay for themselves which means lack of political will (bizarre) or administrative failing. While the recent Ministers for Transport have not been the brightest stars they not exactly the idiots either.



It kinda sums up the recent governments where they quick to claim credit for things they have little input into but even quicker to pass the buck on things they directly responsible for.

(mini rant over)