New Provisional Licence Requirements

**SligoBrewer** · 27/10/2007, 7:27 PM

Originally Posted by passinginterest

I think lessons should be part of leaving cert,

woah woah woah there mister.

right.

should we get points for learning to drive?
should i concentrate on driving in school time if i don't want to?
why should i give up school time(which i can use far better) to learn to drive?
who'd teach us to drive?
where?
schools are for an education in academia, not life-skills

**osarusan** · 28/10/2007, 3:33 AM

Interesting thread.

I'd agree with those who say that the actual idea is fine, and will contribute to greater road safety, but that the implementation of the change over 1 weekend is a joke. There should have been enough warning given to allow people to take the tests.

In any case, waiting 6 months for a test is a joke, by any standards.

Just to compare, I got my licence (first one ever) in Japan about 6 months ago. Totally different system - it is possible to just go to a government centre, and take your test, but more than 90% of people who do this are failed. The other option is to go to a licensed school, fork out 2000 euros or so, and take theory lectures and lessons. Having completed the driving school's course successfully, and passing the internal driving test, you are now exempt from the govt. driving test. You just pass a government-set theory test, and you get your licence. The whole process took my 3 months, and I only went there twice a week (both days were pretty intensive though).

**OneRedArmy** · 28/10/2007, 9:07 AM

Originally Posted by pete

Solution:
* 6 month delay & be done with it.
* Substantial fine for people who do not turn up for the test as this is too easy to do & leads to longer backlogs. Ensure you have to cancel within say 3 weeks. Fill these gaps with people who applied for cancellation. I believe currently you just need to apply for a test to get provisional renewed?
* There has to be some disadvantage to L plates so enforce ban on Motorway driving.
* Stop announcing ideas for curfews, Restricted plates & such & just announce when actually implemented.

Sensible stuff Pete. The 4 day thing allows people who have no real intention or incentive to take a test to get on the moral high ground.

**John83** · 28/10/2007, 9:11 AM

Originally Posted by SligoBrewer

woah woah woah there mister.

right.

should we get points for learning to drive?
should i concentrate on driving in school time if i don't want to?
why should i give up school time(which i can use far better) to learn to drive?
who'd teach us to drive?
where?
schools are for an education in academia, not life-skills

Ideally, they're for both. We stick kids into the school system at 4 and expect them to come out the other end as roughly adults. It's not unreasonable to add some non-academic stuff in there. It's why we have PE.

**SligoBrewer** · 28/10/2007, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by John83

Ideally, they're for both. We stick kids into the school system at 4 and expect them to come out the other end as roughly adults. It's not unreasonable to add some non-academic stuff in there. It's why we have PE.

our school have introduced PE in senior cycle this year ad
and it has been a disaster.

were missing a maths and an english class for playing football outside.
its hard enough to get a a1 in maths and english without missing 1/6 of our classes to play football in school

**Rovers fan** · 28/10/2007, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by SligoBrewer

our school have introduced PE in senior cycle this year ad
and it has been a disaster.

were missing a maths and an english class for playing football outside.
its hard enough to get a a1 in maths and english without missing 1/6 of our classes to play football in school

I think its mandatory to have at least 1 hour of PE in school every day. PE is definitely an advantage in school and not just for the doss.

**Ringo** · 28/10/2007, 1:15 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Sensible stuff Pete. The 4 day thing allows people who have no real intention or incentive to take a test to get on the moral high ground.

female reorter in the Star yesterday moaning about the six month waiting list for a test, shes driving four years, did it once and failed & obviously didn't bother trying again, why would you, you could just get back on the road. I've just got a provisonal for a bike & don't have any problem with the new restrictions for motorbikes. No doubt there will be real hardship cases, but you can't base the law one or two genuine cases. As for delaying it, its been the law and hasn't been enforced, so theres already been a chance for people to do something about it.

**Ringo** · 28/10/2007, 1:29 PM

The Minister for Transport Noel Dempsey has announced he is modifying the lead-in time for new rules governing holders of provisional licences.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhmheykfauid/

**NeilMcD** · 28/10/2007, 5:30 PM

Typical Fianna Fail backing down. They really are the populist party and the reason they get in so often. As someone said peopel have no excuses, this has been the law but they are just going to enforce it. I have no sympathy for anybody on this issue, its there to save lives and this country must be the only place where you can go in fail the test and drive home. What a joke, that really does say it all.

**micls** · 28/10/2007, 5:33 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

As someone said peopel have no excuses, this has been the law but they are just going to enforce it.

Wrong. Second provisional holders did not have to have another driver in the car until this. While I never agreed with that it is ridiculous to change a law that quickly and expect those who were legally driving to work etc on Thursday to find someone with 2 years experience to accompany them by Tuesday.

Even those on 1st or second provisionals who had been accompanied but not by someone with 2 years experience would had to have found someone new

**Block G Raptor** · 28/10/2007, 6:29 PM

I'm in an unusual situation in that I was on a first provisional and got banned for Drunk Driving just before my test. The first provisional has since expired and I will be allowed to drive again in August. Will I now get a second Provisional license or will I have to start all over again with a "Learner Permit"? any one know

**Ringo** · 28/10/2007, 6:58 PM

Originally Posted by Block G Raptor

I'm in an unusual situation in that I was on a first provisional and got banned for Drunk Driving just before my test. The first provisional has since expired and I will be allowed to drive again in August. Will I now get a second Provisional license or will I have to start all over again with a "Learner Permit"? any one know

Isn't the irish justice system great

Gay Byrne would love you.You shouldn't get either.

**OneRedArmy** · 29/10/2007, 2:07 PM

Originally Posted by Ringo

female reorter in the Star yesterday moaning about the six month waiting list for a test, shes driving four years, did it once and failed & obviously didn't bother trying again, why would you, you could just get back on the road. I've just got a provisonal for a bike & don't have any problem with the new restrictions for motorbikes. No doubt there will be real hardship cases, but you can't base the law one or two genuine cases. As for delaying it, its been the law and hasn't been enforced, so theres already been a chance for people to do something about it.

Agreed. The 300% increase in test applications on Friday tells its own story.

The fact that 1 in 6 drivers hasn't passed a test is nothing short of a national disgrace (we won't even get into how some of those that actually have a full license acquired them......"amnesty" me hole....).

**Ringo** · 29/10/2007, 3:10 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Agreed. The 300% increase in test applications on Friday tells its own story.

The fact that 1 in 6 drivers hasn't passed a test is nothing short of a national disgrace (we won't even get into how some of those that actually have a full license acquired them......"amnesty" me hole....).

its posible to be on you second provisionsl driving licence&never have been in car

**Peter Nolan** · 29/10/2007, 4:47 PM

In response to any long term problem in this country, the only thing the Government can do, as usual, is to make matters worse and they get a pay rise for creating stupid policy in the first place.

This has been a problem for many years now and I agree that L drivers are a bit of a problem, so too are older and I do not mean really old drivers of 70/80 years of age. There are much younger drivers causing problems on our roads and motorways by not driving at the correct speeds on the highways and byways of Ireland.

If anybody expected any serious solving of this problem think again, look at the total mess that was and is still being made of the MASS IMMIGRATION to this country. That is one more serious problem that needs attention and now I guess most people will say I am RACIST. I am not a racist, I only look at the writing on the wall, as they say and from that I think we are in deep trouble in the not too far distant future.

The Government needs to have the Testers doing tests 7 days a week for 12/18 hours per day to clear up the log jam of tests waiting to be done.

**pete** · 30/10/2007, 12:24 PM

After being in government for 10 continuous years & no financial restrictions can any one tell me why we still talking about hiring extra driving instructions?

**Dodge** · 30/10/2007, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Peter Nolan

If anybody expected any serious solving of this problem think again, look at the total mess that was and is still being made of the MASS IMMIGRATION to this country. That is one more serious problem that needs attention and now I guess most people will say I am RACIST. I am not a racist, I only look at the writing on the wall, as they say and from that I think we are in deep trouble in the not too far distant future.

Interesting first post. Bit off topic but anyway...

How has immigration affected you and can you give examples of how mass immigration has negatively effected the majority of people in the country?

**pete** · 30/10/2007, 1:24 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Interesting first post. Bit off topic but anyway...

If any one wants to discuss this please start a new topic with the rules of the forum...

**Dodge** · 30/10/2007, 2:00 PM

I was replying to his off topic ramblings pete...

Feel free to move his and my post...

**Ringo** · 30/10/2007, 4:07 PM

Originally Posted by pete

After being in government for 10 continuous years & no financial restrictions can any one tell me why we still talking about hiring extra driving instructions?

instuctors aren't the problem , its testers & their civil servants. The goverments wants to privitise it.