Champions League thread

[OwlsFan]

There was Lampard who appears to be a bit of a classy guy holding himself together even though he lost his mother. .

I thought the public gestures to the sky both in the last game and this one were naff and for the cameras.

[Roadend]

Ronaldo shut up the doubters as he scored in a big game. In the end hard luck to Avram Runner up Grant.

If Terry had scored his peno would you be saying that?

[geysir]

I thought the public gestures to the sky both in the last game and this one were naff and for the cameras.

I concur,
nauseatingly naff.

Anybody see Apres Match, had me in stitches.

[Closed Account 2]

I don't see why any of the other top English clubs would want him (in Mourinho's time, still nobody seems to commend Grant), much like Utd wouldn't want any of the others. Wenger has done a fantastic job at Arsenal, Mourinho did a fantastic job at Chelsea and Grant is carrying on the trend to an extent, and Benitez has done a fanstastic job at Liverpool. None of the big 4 wants the others, as everyone is content with their own managers. There's no proof to suggest that if Ferguson was managing one of the other teams that he'd do any better. In fact I think he'd do worse, much like the rest would do worse than him at Utd.

I think Wenger is the best manager at the big 4... He's taken Arsenal to a European Final, and won the league and cup despite managing a selling club. He's always had to sell his top players (Henry, Vieira) and has taken failing players (Vieira, Henry, Berjgkamp) from leagues where they're struggling and turned them into World Class players. His team's been the second best team to watch in Europe this season (just a touch behind Zenit) and when you consider what Arsenal played like before he joined (under George Graham etc) that is no mean feat. He's introduced a whole raft of professionality into the English game (proper training methods, increased awareness of diet and fitness). He's taken youth team players and made them into greats (the likes of Fabregas, Clichy, Ashley Cole, Denilson etc) and has also never wasted a huge amount of money on a naff player (even Jeffers didn't cost that much).

If it wasn't for Wenger I think you'd be looking at a big 3 instead of a big 4 and Arsenal would be on a par with Everton and Spurs in terms of ability.

[DaveyCakes]

Lampard who appears to be a bit of a classy guy holding himself together even though he lost his mother.

For god's sake, the way people are going on about him, you'd think he was the first person who's ever had a parent die

[rambler14]

For god's sake, the way people are going on about him, you'd think he was the first person who's ever had a parent die

Oh thank god somebody finally has the balls to say that. I wanted to say that after the Liverpool game.

[antrimgreen]

If Terry had scored his peno would you be saying that?

If your granny had balls she would be your granda

[Macy]

Oh thank god somebody finally has the balls to say that. I wanted to say that after the Liverpool game.

fair enough in the Liverpool game, becoming a bit much at this stage.

BlockGRaptor - you're some bitter man. If anything he's cut from the same cloth as Shankly, and he's certainly no more obnoxious than the likes of Souness and Dalglish.

[lionelhutz]

Ronaldo shut up the doubters as he scored in a big game. In the end hard luck to Avram Runner up Grant.

Although Ronaldo scored and played very well in the first half, he disappeared for the 2nd half and extra time. Also, even when he beat Essien - which he did a number of times - he failed to deliver a telling cross or pass. The great attacking players are able to pick out a team mate when in those position rather than going for personal glory.

It's about making the right decision at the right time - which Ronaldo failed to do a number of times. Granted, he played much better than i expected him to but there's still no way he can be considered in the same class as the likes of Messi - not yet anyway. He's an extremely selfish player.

[EAFC_rdfl]

same as, wonder will that be the end of it, or will he keep looking to the heavens after scoring another flukey goal.
where was apres match on? didnt see it at all

[Block G Raptor]

If anything he's cut from the same cloth as Shankly,

I find that frankly insulting. Bill Shankley was the most humble man you could hope to meet, there is not one speck of humility about AF.

[EAFC_rdfl]

I find that frankly insulting. Bill Shankley was the most humble man you could hope to meet, there is not one speck of humility about AF.

yet its ok for you to call Alex Ferguson a git?? pot and kettle really

[NeilMcD]

Although Ronaldo scored and played very well in the first half, he disappeared for the 2nd half and extra time. Also, even when he beat Essien - which he did a number of times - he failed to deliver a telling cross or pass. The great attacking players are able to pick out a team mate when in those position rather than going for personal glory.

It's about making the right decision at the right time - which Ronaldo failed to do a number of times. Granted, he played much better than i expected him to but there's still no way he can be considered in the same class as the likes of Messi - not yet anyway. He's an extremely selfish player.

Is that messi who was at fault for Scholes goal at Old Trafford but no mentioned by any of the RTE pundits. Messis is a great player no doubt but 42 goals this season. A goal in the Champions league final and quarter final and last 16. He was the best player this season in the world. Also he did get quality crosses in, one was to Tevez head and another were into very dangerous areas but there did not happen to be a player making the correct run.

[NeilMcD]

I find that frankly insulting. Bill Shankley was the most humble man you could hope to meet, there is not one speck of humility about AF.

The same Bill Shankly who was asked to leave by the Liverpool staff for turning up to training. What a club and what a way to treat an ex manager.

[NeilMcD]

If Terry had scored his peno would you be saying that?

No because then Grant would not have been a runner up then. But if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle.

[Block G Raptor]

The same Bill Shankly who was asked to leave by the Liverpool staff for turning up to training. What a club and what a way to treat an ex manager.

The guy had Alzheimer's at the time and he wasn't just turning up to training, he was interfering with training and ringing up players the night before games to instruct them on who to mark etc. many times telling players to mark guys Who's team liverpool weren't even playing that week. The Club had very little choice but to ask him to stay away.
and anyway how does your comment show that what I said about Shankly's humility is not correct

[tetsujin1979]

Is that messi who was at fault for Scholes goal at Old Trafford but no mentioned by any of the RTE pundits.

Was it Messi's fault for not tracking back, or was it Zambrotta's fault, for making a blind pass across the front of the penalty area?

[Roadend]

Is that messi who was at fault for Scholes goal at Old Trafford but no mentioned by any of the RTE pundits.

What? Zambrotta tried to clear a ball blind and it went straight to Scholes who blasted it in. I'd certainly like to see how Messi is to blame for that, come on lets hear your reasoning.

[NeilMcD]

Both of their faults. Initially Zambrotta and then also Messi. Football is rarely simple enough to say that one person was at fault. Usually a few factors contribute towards a goal.

[NeilMcD]

What? Zambrotta tried to clear a ball blind and it went straight to Scholes who blasted it in. I'd certainly like to see how Messi is to blame for that, come on lets hear your reasoning.

Watch the goal again and you will see that at one Stage that Scholes and messi are level but Messi Stos running and he lets Scholes goal who gambles and goes into a clever space and the ball drops to him and he scores. Messi did not anticipate this. He was at fault and so was Zambrotta who was more so at fault. Simple as that.