Manager Advice

[Jayk69]

Can I have your opinion Please!!

Well before i make a complete tit of myself and play this formation, i was hoping for some good feed back! i've tweaked the 4-5-1 formation and maybe too much.


Goalkeeper


R/c/b C/b L/c/b



C/b

R/w/b c/m c/m L/w/b


A/m



St



My aim for this is that the c/b will drop into the back four when defending allowing the r/c/b to push over and the c/b claim his position across the back four so a flat back is the result. and act as support for midfield when attacking. The two midfielders both man mark in the centre and the attcking is left to roam up in the gap. When defending, the attacking mid drops into the centre roll allowing 5 across midfield. Will this formation work!!! Need feed back before Sunday! Please

[ASR27]

STOP! you're trying too hard.

ive tried this twice - asking a centrehalf to sit behind the centre mids or drop deeper as it applies. both times disaster. it works fine on paper - ie it works fine as you understand it but your players dont have all week to think about it. you need to stick to one or two formations and your players need to understand them well before the game. never thrust something like this on them.

remember when you play/played the game? you need to have one or two basic agendas to follow - any more than that makes it very difficult especially when you get tired.

my strong advice would be to avoid this tinkering. stick with your 442 or your 352 - whichever your players are best with. if the results are going against you just persevere until they get comfortable with it and youll be surprised how much the team will change by the end of the season.


seriously.

as Seán Purcell said about football - its a simple game played by simple people...keep it simple and do those things well, thats how to win.

let us know how it goes

[Innishvilla]

I'd agree with ASR27, don't try to over-complicate things. The longer players play in a system the more comfy/assured they will be.

I played for years in back 4 where 1 centre back was the sweeper (me). When we got a new manager who preferred us to mark if marking needed to be done, I'll tell you it took a good few games to get into the habit of not dropping off...

Another small item of advice we always before a match agreed an outlet for the back 4/midfielders... i.e. if a guy is in trouble, hasn't time to look up and has to just get the ball the hell out of there at least the striker/winger knows where he is planning on trying to put it. The ball won't necessarily be to feet but at least there'll be someone there to compete for the ball and allow the defense and midfield to re-organize.

[Jayk69]

Nothing like a good bit of honesty, im lookin for a system that gives me basically a flat back four or defense that can hold up to wingers, 5 across the midfield and good striking abilities. i wanna attack but need solid defending. think im lookin too much into this!

3-5-2, great system but over run on the wings, thus conceding stupid goals

4-4-2, lose the match in the centre of the park every time

4-5-1, thought was the answer but simple thing, i dont have a front man that can play by himself, no strength up front

4-3-3 get caught on the counter on both flanks.

3-1-4-1-1 makes sense on paper but went belly up for ya's

Any ideas out there!!!!!

[galwayhoop]

try out a 4-4-1-1

flat back 4.

5 in midfield when not in possession, 4 when you have possession.
att mid either drops into cm when you don't have the ball or pushes up behind front man when you have it.
the important thing is you only need to give the att mid and cf special instructions. the other 8 outfield players play a normal 4 man line. you should be able to get a foothold in midfield but will need your striker to play most of the game with his back to goal. therefore the att mid and wingers will need to work hard to get up in support.

best of luck.

PS-for god sake stop worrying so much about formations. that 3-1-4-1-1 is really a 3-6-1 and sounds crazy!!!!!

[CollegeTillIDie]

Ok the best experiemental scheme I have ever seen is 5-3-2. What you need is the following : Two Stopper Centre-half and 1 Libero ball playing central defender.

You have two wings backs. Three midfielders including 1 winger the side he plays on depends on which foot he kicks with and two strikers.

so it looks something like this


Gk

Libero
Right footed CB Left footed CB

Right wing back left wing back

Midfield Midfield Midfield

Striker Striker

But basically it is down to what players you have in your squad. If you have a lot of centre backs as the team I am thinking of did, and not many midfielders, this system is ideal. When you attack the libero slots in to midfield and covers the defence. The wing backs over lap and provide width going forward. When you defend the libero slots back into defence the wing backs funnel back giving you 5 defenders at least ideally you will have some midfielders funnelling back too. This gives you big numbers defending and attacking and prevents you being overrun.

Your system should be based on what material you have in your squad.

[Jayk69]

hey evryone, taking this thread out of the ashes, in trouble again in regards to training drills. looking for pass and move drills that get the team working but enjoying it too. anyone know any drills that can be run in an indoor training hall??

[EAFC_rdfl]

• P1, P5

• P2

• P3

• P4

we do this. P1 passes into 2 who kills ball and heads off towards 3 while P1 runs onto the ball (P5 stays at the base). he passes to P3 who lays it off for P2 (running) who then completes the move by passing into P4. then P4 starts off another cycle, sort of in reverse, thats why P5 is needed
we do it spread over the length of an astro pitch (not quite full size) so should work indoor

[ASR27]

http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~dgraham/manual/manual.pdf

Thats a pretty comprehensive coaches guide - you should find things there to occupy any team