Gangland Crime

**joeSoap** · 22/10/2007, 9:47 AM

3 weeks ago, Paul Williams was able to write a front page story about a major league criminal from Finglas called John Daly. In this article, Williams said that Daly, recently released after a 9 year sentence, was a target for a hit, that a contract had been taken out on him and he even knew who the contract was given to. He also said that this would all take place within the next month.

Daly was blasted to death last night in a car in Finglas.

I know by and large that the Gardai are doing a good job with this whole gangland situation, but if Williams is privvy to these details, then you could be sure the Gardai were. I'm sure they're not at all upset that a scrote like this Daly is dead, but surely they could have had surveillance in place to catch the perpretatrors.

It is now reckoned that an all out gang war will occur, on a nationwide scale, as Daly had very strong ties to the Keane crime faction in Limerick. Williams reckoned that it was the McCarthy Dundon faction (the main adversary to the Keanes in Limerick) that were going to do the job because of Dalys association with Christy Keane, leader of the gang as it were.

Lately we've started to see innocent bystanders become victims because of their being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Hopefully we won't see too much more of it.

**Dodge** · 22/10/2007, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

I know by and large that the Gardai are doing a good job with this whole gangland situation, but if Williams is privvy to these details, then you could be sure the Gardai were. I'm sure they're not at all upset that a scrote like this Daly is dead, but surely they could have had surveillance in place to catch the perpretatrors.

They can't watch him 24/7 (nor should they). You can sure the Gardai know exactly who's responsible but as ever its very hard to prove anything when nobody will admit to seeing/knowing anything.

Its easy for Williams to use "unnamed sources" and print rumours, its way way harder to get actual facts about any of the cases.

**Macy** · 22/10/2007, 10:45 AM

Would've thought most of Williams sources would be cops anyway?

I don't think anything will happen, as the general population don't make the connection between gangsters killing gangsters and innocent party goers or plumbers getting caught in the cross fire. I'm sure there's threads in this very forum containing lines such as "who cares about one scumbag taking out another".

btw, it must have been some feckin wasp that the Government were talking about.

**beautifulrock** · 22/10/2007, 11:07 AM

I see this is the chap the called Joe Duffy from his cell on his cell. I am sure that he did not do himself any favours by partaking in that little stunt.

With regard to gang on gang violence it is understandable when people say "so what" but as is rightly pointed out here it has a much wider knock on effect.

**pete** · 22/10/2007, 12:15 PM

Is Williams the Irish Don? Maybe he knows too much...?

Conviction rates for murder in this country are very low (maybe someone knows the percentage) & I doubt it is any higher for gangland hits.

I am sure it is the same everywhere - no one really cares until innocent bystanders get killed & then public call for action.

**Lionel Ritchie** · 22/10/2007, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Is Williams the Irish Don? Maybe he knows too much...?

Conviction rates for murder in this country are very low (maybe someone knows the percentage) & I doubt it is any higher for gangland hits.

I am sure it is the same everywhere - no one really cares until innocent bystanders get killed & then public call for action.

Think it's running at somewhere in and around 1 in 6 sees a conviction. I like those odds.

**beautifulrock** · 22/10/2007, 12:26 PM

I will look for the stats, am sure it cant be as low in 1 in 6 especially for non gang land murders. My perception is that the clean up rate is high due in the main to help from the public.

**jebus** · 22/10/2007, 12:32 PM

Never understood why we don't allow the government to carry out contract killings over a short space of time on all gangland bosses/gang members, say if they were to send the army out for Ireland very own Night of the Long Knives (but with deserving people this time) and the general public just turns a blind eye to it.

Sure it could be construed as a minor act of genocide, as undoubtably a lot of people would die, and sure it could lead to a government that carries out contract killings on their rivals if the wrong people were in charge at the time, but, well I've always wanted to live in a Orwell novel so let's do this thing!!!

**beautifulrock** · 22/10/2007, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

Never understood why we don't allow the government to carry out contract killings over a short space of time on all gangland bosses/gang members, say if they were to send the army out for Ireland very own Night of the Long Knives (but with deserving people this time) and the general public just turns a blind eye to it.

Not a bad idea but think of all the calls to Liveline as a result

**gilberto_eire** · 22/10/2007, 1:38 PM

i could never understand why Paul Williams hasnt been killed yet?!

i remember that liveline with that Daly fella and Paul was there talling the country about what he has done etc.... surprised even that particular fella didnt go after him

i know i would if i was one of those fellas and he was sniffing around like that....

but then to think of ALL the gangsters he's annoyed, really surprised he's still here.....

would it be that hard to find out where he lives?... is he bulletproof?!

**Dodge** · 22/10/2007, 1:42 PM

Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

i could never understand why Paul Williams hasnt been killed yet?!

Maybe not everyone is as obsessed with him as he is with himself?

**gilberto_eire** · 22/10/2007, 1:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Maybe not everyone is as obsessed with him as he is with himself?

i know but you have to admit he's a bigger threat to these fellas then the cops are...he's putting there faces and names into public. just dont see why they havent even come together to sort him out!.

he's a brave man though, id live in another country if i was doing his work!!

**osarusan** · 22/10/2007, 2:23 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Is Williams the Irish Don? Maybe he knows too much...?

Maybe Williams killed him.

Think about it.........you're a crime journo, you make write a piece about how some guy will be killed, then hey presto!! Another piece of brilliance from Williams. It would be a great way to get rid of people you don't like, and make yourself famous into the bargain. Just blame it on the gangs.

Wait until he starts writing about bank robberies, and then they happen. Next thing you know, Williams is a millionaire.

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**Dodge** · 22/10/2007, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

(This post contains no smilies, to keep Dodge happy)

Everything in that post made me happy

**pete** · 22/10/2007, 2:41 PM

I have only very rarely read articles from "crime journos" but I found the quality of writing to be of exceptionally poor standard.

I presume the criminals take some sort of perverse pride in being profiled in the media as it possibly increases their notoriety. I would guess Williams gets a lot of his information from other criminals.

**dahamsta** · 22/10/2007, 2:47 PM

Investigative journalism as a whole barely exists in Ireland. Journalism as a whole barely exists in Ireland ffs. 90%+ of Irish journalists are press release recyclers, nothing more.

adam

**joeSoap** · 22/10/2007, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

i could never understand why Paul Williams hasnt been killed yet?

So in your book, he deserves to be killed because he exposes what lowlifes do for a living? Nice.

Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

i remember that liveline with that Daly fella and Paul was there talling the country about what he has done etc.... surprised even that particular fella didnt go after him

You make it sound like Daly had a right to make that call, and that he had a right to kill Williams because Williams told the public what he was about? Even nicer.

Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

i know i would if i was one of those fellas and he was sniffing around like that....

Sounds like you have a lot of sympathy there for the lowlife degenerate, sadistic brutal murderous drug dealing bas tards like John Daly.

Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

but then to think of ALL the gangsters he's annoyed, really surprised he's still here.....

would it be that hard to find out where he lives?... is he bulletproof?!

It's common knowledge where he lives. Attempts have been made to get him. He has a 24 hour armed watch (funded by his employers).

I have not much time for Paul Williams. I believe him to be sensationalist, melodramatic and self-serving. But to say he deserves to die for what he does for a living is crass and ignorant.

**micls** · 22/10/2007, 4:01 PM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

So in your book, he deserves to be killed because he exposes what lowlifes do for a living? Nice.

You make it sound like Daly had a right to make that call, and that he had a right to kill Williams because Williams told the public what he was about? Even nicer.

Sounds like you have a lot of sympathy there for the lowlife degenerate, sadistic brutal murderous drug dealing bas tards like John Daly.

It's common knowledge where he lives. Attempts have been made to get him. He has a 24 hour armed watch (funded by his employers).

I have not much time for Paul Williams. I believe him to be sensationalist, melodramatic and self-serving. But to say he deserves to die for what he does for a living is crass and ignorant.

Did I miss something? When I read his post i didnt think he was at all trying to insinuate he that Williams deserved to be shot.

The way I took it was that he was just surprised that the people he writes about who are scum would have qualms about killing him.

I took the 'if i were them line' to be If i was a a gangland criminal who tended to kill people then Id kill him....

NOt understanding it doesnt mean he agrees with it.

Correct me if Im wrong Gilberto Eire and you actually do think he deserves to die

**joeSoap** · 22/10/2007, 4:12 PM

Originally Posted by micls

Did I miss something? When I read his post i didnt think he was at all trying to insinuate he that Williams deserved to be shot.

I'm not a mind reader but comments like

Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

i could never understand why Paul Williams hasnt been killed yet?!

i remember that liveline with that Daly fella and Paul was there talling the country about what he has done etc.... surprised even that particular fella didnt go after him
i know i would if i was one of those fellas and he was sniffing around like that....

all make me think that Gilberto would not condemn any violent action taken against Williams. Perhaps if he made the point clearer, or used smilies appropriately.

**osarusan** · 22/10/2007, 4:12 PM

Joe, I think Gilberto was saying that he's surprised he hasn't been killed as he seems to know a lot about crime and criminals, maybe too much for some criminals to feel comfortable.

I don't think he was saying Williams deserves to be shot.

Edit: You've already replied to original posts.