Are we in trouble?

[Poor Student]

Doesn't alter the basic point I have been making for years that an average of 1 point per game is not good enough... and we might not even manage that much this year!

I'm not altering it. I don't look at points averages, I look at position in the table. Your points average only has to be better than the teams around you, not some arbitrary target.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Actually forget about all this we need X points to be safe because team Y could get Z points and catch us. We know ourselves that we are capable of performing superior than any of the teams around us. One thing about us this season has been that when we need a result/performance we have delivered, eg Pats away, Derry away (twice), Drogs away. When we perform to our potential we are a top half side. Where we have lost points, and where we generally seem to drop points, are the games against the teams around us. The players seem to think that as we've just gone and beaten Derry or whoever that they can just show up and get the win. That's the sort of attitude that has resulted in this unnecessary and avoidable disscussion. The players know that they can put it right and if they apply themselves we will get three points against Galway on the last day. Also remember if necessary I will be able to have words with them after the Pats game.

[CollegeTillIDie]

Longford would be level with us with the six points, Waterford can only realistically get three points max and Bray don't have any game in hand.

How did Bray get on tonight then? Oh and three of our seven wins were against the same team. So how many teams out eleven have we actually beaten this season?

[CollegeTillIDie]

I'm not altering it. I don't look at points averages, I look at position in the table. Your points average only has to be better than the teams around you, not some arbitrary target.

We are not even able to manage 1 point out of a possible 3 on average over the season. Stan's managed almost 50% in this campaign, for the Republic of Ireland , and people are calling for his head !

[DmanDmythDledge]

Bray lost to Longford.

We've beaten six teams and have to play Galway and Longford (and possibly Cork) once more.

[Conor H]

If we win on Friday we'll go ahead of ye on goal difference so i don't know how we're not safe and ye are going on that possible scenario?

[CollegeTillIDie]

If we win on Friday we'll go ahead of ye on goal difference so i don't know how we're not safe and ye are going on that possible scenario?

Well said Conor H. (possibly Cork) what do you mean Dmand? and cup games don't carry points for the record.

[DmanDmythDledge]

If we win on Friday we'll go ahead of ye on goal difference so i don't know how we're not safe and ye are going on that possible scenario?

I think it's a case (or least my opinion) that we're more likely to be safe than Galway. I think that both teams will stay up.

[jebus]

If we win on Friday we'll go ahead of ye on goal difference so i don't know how we're not safe and ye are going on that possible scenario?

Haven't Galway won the least amount of games of anyone in the Premier this year though? Wouldn't be at all expectant that they will win one out of the last three, but for me it will come down to the Waterford-Galway game as to who goes in the playoff. Longford have been good lately but that 6 point deduction will put them down I feel

[Conor H]

Haven't Galway won the least amount of games of anyone in the Premier this year though? Wouldn't be at all expectant that they will win one out of the last three, but for me it will come down to the Waterford-Galway game as to who goes in the playoff. Longford have been good lately but that 6 point deduction will put them down I feel

We have-fair point.

But a win against a Derry side with nothing to play for isn't the hardest thing to achieve when you're going all guns blazing for it.
If we win on Friday i'd be confident of us getting 4 points from Waterford and UCD.Which would see us safe easily.

[pineapple stu]

We are not even able to manage 1 point out of a possible 3 on average over the season. Stan's managed almost 50% in this campaign, for the Republic of Ireland , and people are calling for his head !

Tell me you didn't just type that?!

Are you actually looking at what you're typing, or are you just ranting for the sake of it?

[CollegeTillIDie]

Tell me you didn't just type that?!

Are you actually looking at what you're typing, or are you just ranting for the sake of it?

What part of the above is techically inaccurate?

[pineapple stu]

Apples are often red and green.

Red and green are on the flag of Italy.

Therefore, Italians are apples.

Neither of the above are technically inaccurate, but the link is nonsensical.

[Poor Student]

We are not even able to manage 1 point out of a possible 3 on average over the season. Stan's managed almost 50% in this campaign, for the Republic of Ireland , and people are calling for his head !

Are you calling for Pete Mahon's head? What's your point?

[CollegeTillIDie]

Are you calling for Pete Mahon's head? What's your point?

My point is the team are not performing, in the League. Sacking the manager isn't the answer because I believe once the players cross the white line and don't perform there's not a lot you can do. Against Longford more than 3 players had poor games. You can only make 3 substitutions. On their day the team is well organised and performs that is down to the manager. Collective crap performances from more than 3 players is not something the manager can address given he only he has 3 replacement options.

My point is everything is not rosy on the field and we are not yet mathematically safe.
I am fed up with the smug assumptions that I have seen on this site regarding the situation the team is in. The League record is terrible. And a lot of you are too blind to see it. 4 home wins. We got two more the last time we went down. And there was 18 home games that season... 17 this so it's not that big a difference.

[CollegeTillIDie]

Apples are often red and green.

Red and green are on the flag of Italy.

Therefore, Italians are apples.

Neither of the above are technically inaccurate, but the link is nonsensical.

Lateral thinking never crossed your radar apparently. I was making an analogy with two under performing teams. Our record is worse %age wise than the Irish team and the whole country is up in arms about how sh1t Ireland is and rightly so.

You guys on the other hand are quite content with a team with a less than 33% batting average. We should be looking to pick up a minimum of 45 points a season. That not only ensures safety it also puts the team in with a shout, if a few more points are picked up along the way, of gaining entry to Europe via The League. If you get 33% in your College exams.... YOU HAVE TO REPEAT THEM !

[Poor Student]

My point is the team are not performing, in the League. Sacking the manager isn't the answer because I believe once the players cross the white line and don't perform there's not a lot you can do. Against Longford more than 3 players had poor games. You can only make 3 substitutions. On their day the team is well organised and performs that is down to the manager. Collective crap performances from more than 3 players is not something the manager can address given he only he has 3 replacement options.

So what's your point? Staunton's head is being called for because he can't organise a p1ss up in a brewery. The comparison is irrelevant.

My point is everything is not rosy on the field and we are not yet mathematically safe.

No one said it is, but let's not go roaring pathetic.

I am fed up with the smug assumptions that I have seen on this site regarding the situation the team is in. The League record is terrible. And a lot of you are too blind to see it. 4 home wins. We got two more the last time we went down. And there was 18 home games that season... 17 this so it's not that big a difference.

Stop pulling out arbitrary figures and averages like a baseball fan. What is required to stay up will not be evident until this season has reached its conclusion. Not of us are delighted with the league record but give the players a break. Very few teams below us can exceed much more than the golden arbitrary 33% mark of yours, so some team or several will avoid the drop with a 'low batting average' to use your analogy.

[CollegeTillIDie]

Stop pulling out arbitrary figures and averages like a baseball fan. What is required to stay up will not be evident until this season has reached its conclusion. Not of us are delighted with the league record but give the players a break. Very few teams below us can exceed much more than the golden arbitrary 33% mark of yours, so some team or several will avoid the drop with a 'low batting average' to use your analogy.

Football is a lot about arithmetic. If you score an average of one goal a game and concede an average of more than one goal a game. You lose. If you lose often enough you go down. If you go down your crowds go down and with it your revenues. We are trying to compete with clubs who have bigger budgets etc. The whole viability of the enterprise is at stake here.

These figures aren't arbitrary they are the ACTUAL RECORD OF THE TEAM.
If our home record in the Bowl next season isn't a hell of a lot better than this season, we're whistling dixie with regard to attracting additional support!
With all the knock on effects that will have. Seeing as the pitch maintenance bill, for one, is going to be higher we will need extra money.

[Poor Student]

Football is a lot about arithmetic. If you score an average of one goal a game and concede an average of more than one goal a game. You lose. If you lose often enough you go down. If you go down your crowds go down and with it your revenues. We are trying to compete with clubs who have bigger budgets etc. The whole viability of the enterprise is at stake here.

Are you kidding me here? We have no great crowds to speak of. Our revenue stream is barely connected to crowds otherwise we'd be doing a lot worse than we are now!

These figures aren't arbitrary they are the ACTUAL RECORD OF THE TEAM.

Your 33% one point average is an abitrary figure. What keeps you up or wins you a title changes every year. On a year where things are tight at the bottom you're going to have less points as everyone's taken points off each other. We're in this poor situation with 5 other clubs.

If our home record in the Bowl next season isn't a hell of a lot better than this season, we're whistling dixie with regard to attracting additional support!
With all the knock on effects that will have. Seeing as the pitch maintenance bill, for one, is going to be higher we will need extra money.

Total doom mongering. Pitch maintainence will increase, why? Because two teams will play on it? A problem solved is a problem halved, obviously UCD RFC will contribute to running costs.

[CollegeTillIDie]

Are you kidding me here? We have no great crowds to speak of. Our revenue stream is barely connected to crowds otherwise we'd be doing a lot worse than we are now!

So Colin Forde's appointment is window dressing? I am giving him some credit for increasing the crowds so far this season and I am giving him credit with being able to bring more crowds in next season at a more central location.
If the crowds go up the potential for perimeter advertising and sponsorship etc, rises incrementally. The potential for being live on TV increases too.
I am amazed at your inability to project into the future that if X happens Y and Z may follow.

Your 33% one point average is an abitrary figure. What keeps you up or wins you a title changes every year. On a year where things are tight at the bottom you're going to have less points as everyone's taken points off each other. We're in this poor situation with 5 other clubs.

You were the one who kicked off this thread suddenly waking up to the fact that we were possibly in relegation danger. I have merely been backing up your points all along. So are you now backtracking? I believe that until any team reaches more than about 36 points in this League YOU ARE IN POTENTIAL RELEGATION DANGER. Because your team can go on losing streaks such as the one we are currently on where you do not collect ANY League points. I don't call it doom merchant I call it realism. I have seen teams go down on 34 points. We haven't reached that yet.

Total doom mongering. Pitch maintainence will increase, why? Because two teams will play on it? A problem solved is a problem halved, obviously UCD RFC will contribute to running costs.

Pitch maintenance will increase because 30 pairs of studs worn by people weighing 15 + stone, will obviously do more damage to a playing surface than 22 pairs of studs worn by people weighing considerably less. To give an analogy from motoring ....A Sherman Tank will do more damage to the N11 than a Volvo S70. The Rugby club will contribute to the running costs. But the surface will be nowhere near as good as Belfield Park. Surely you can put 2 and 2 together and get 4 for an answer.