QuoteStephen Carr and Kevin Foley too. Think they've played nearly every game.
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Here is a list of players I am fairly confident who have had more Premiership games this season, feel free to complete it:-
Doyle.
Dunne.
Actually I think both have started the same number.
Last edited by tricky_colour; 21/11/2010 at 3:12 PM.
Stephen Carr and Kevin Foley too. Think they've played nearly every game.
Thanks, I think those two have the most, with 14, 13 for Dunne Doyle and delap I think.
Interesting that Carr does not play for us either any more.
Delap also plays for the highest placed team bar man u
Speculation about a possible move to Aston Villa. Don Givens should look into his availability for us.
http://www.fansfc.com/teams/NottinghamForest
Don - "I rang Lewis McGugan to check on his interest. He said, "sorry Don, me missus is in late stages of labour and me gaff is on fire, can I call you back in an hour?" I said if that's your attitude then fine, stuff off".
Alarmingly plausible.
If that happens i'd prefer if the scouting was left to Dunne. Honestly
All valid points about our Don. With the redundancies occuring at the FAI at the moment, why is Don still employed? Keeping Packie as technical director would make more sense.
I think its beneath even the Don's dignity just to ring up random players and ask if they have any Irish in them and try and sweettalk them in to playing for us. Every player's got an agent and if they are in any way eligible to play for us and inclined to do so it is quite a straightforward matter for them to declare themselves available.
There is no evidence whatsoever Mcgugan can or has any interest whatsoever in playing for Ireland so this childish fantasising doesnt have any real relevance to Irish football anyway.
Livehead, who started this thread by saying McGugan has an Irish father, is based in Nottingham, and played semi pro in the area, and while I'm not suggesting his word on it is law, he has been accurate about Leon Best and his Irishness in the past.
His agent will most likely be guiding him toward England, even if he does qualify for us, as the agent will stand to make more money that way. Look at what Rooneys agents nearly did recently, was that about football? They are all the same.
But yes, I take your point that he hasnt expressed any desire to play for us publicly, again that does not mean he wouldnt want to, look at the Ciaran Clarke scenario.
And what you dismiss as childish fantacising is actually active FAI policy at present, so you could argue a degree of relevance, in my opinion.
Last edited by CraftyToePoke; 25/11/2010 at 1:55 AM.
Thanks Crafty for your educated post. It shows an understanding of our situation unlike the previous contributor.
If his father was Irish though why has he got a scottish surname? If there is an Irish connection it is likely to come from the northeaterly part of our Ireland which isn't particularly known for its affinity to the Irish republic. Leon Best was a cinch as he had been playing for Irish teams since the age of 15 and was very vocal about his Irish heritage. As for the money aspect of it, you could surely earn more from the 30 caps you could win for Ireland before your first England cap (especially given our curent midfield) and most the attention and apparent Premiership interest in St Ledger can only have come from his Irish international exploits rather than his mediocre club performances.
Anyway I think if there was a genuine likelihood or possibility even of Mcgugan representing us, with the FAI's recruitment strategy it is likely to come to our attention pretty soon, if it hadn't done already. Until there is any word from the man himself or at least a repectable newspaper on the subject it is just idle bartalk, like all the nonsense surrounding Kevin Nolan all these years who was never actually eligible to play for us anyway.
Why couldn't his father be called Ramon Antonio Gerado Estevez and still be Irish? His surname is irrelevant.
There are dozens of Scottish names that are popular in this country. McDonald is the obvious one. There has been 500 years of migration around Ireland since the plantations, you know.
Could be but if there was a Lewis Gerado Estevez playing for Shamrock Rovers for instance I would tend towards the presumption he had hispanic ancestry on his father's side in the absence of any evidence whatsoever to the contrary, though of course his father could have been from Kazakhstan
Well nobody's saying he doesn't have Scottish ancestry. And looking up the name it is of Irish origin in any case.
Tell me about it........... all my ancestors are scottish or english looking back far enough as my own name testifies but if I heard there was another gent on the island with my name I would judge it 10 times more likely demographically they were from the queen's country than this side of the border, having nothing else to go on
Well which side was Barry McGuigan from?
No Mcguigan is gaelic - and hence Irish in its uncorrupted form , Mcgugan is an anglisisation suggesting scottish or Norterhn Irish origin and making it unlikely, though not impossible that the holder could be of southern Irish origin, same as any english or scottish footballer's parents may be Irish but with no facts to back it up it is a hypothetical and could justify starting a thread on any pro footballer in England or Scotland who has not yet been capped competitively , which may be the way this board is going.
It could be an Anglicisation or an organic variation. There's no way to tell which. And Anglicisation happened as much inside Ireland as it did abroad - more so probably.
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