According to the reviews he was the worst player on the pitch by quite a distance, Dunphy will like that
ya mcshane we thought was great when we only saw the little glimpses of bits of matches where he looked really good, but as we see more of him we can see that he definitely isnt with it.....his lack of pace isnt made up by his positional sense. Dont know what he is going to do.....
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McShane has the same football brain as Phil Babb. But Phil Babb was twice the athlete that McShane is; McGrath couldn't make McShane look good because he is too slow, in that regard Babb was the perfect foil for McGrath circa 1994, since Babb could cover ground and McGrath's knees were well and truly shot.Originally Posted by paul_oshea
"No regrets, none at all. My only regret is that we went out on penalties. That's my only regret. But no, no regrets." -Mick McCarthy
Well lads as i said before ,he is not a good player and certainly not up to international scratch, one good game against Jan Koller and he suddenly becomes a superstar ?me thinks not ,the way that sunderland are playing at the moment augurs well for the championship,and that is where he belongs !
Although he has had a couple of bad weeks. I would say he is still young at 21. At his age we were saying similar things about Richard Dunne. McShane is still a prospect and can learn. He has only been at a top division club for a few months. I still think he will be a good player.
7 goals today and McShane was at fault for 5 of them.
Christ you could turn a bus in a garage quicker than him.
LESS OF THE BULL NOW!
Come on. Dunne had nightmare games at 21 and look at him now. McShane is a good player with a lot to learn. His attitude is brilliant. So give him a break.
It isn't his atitude thats in question, it all aspect of his defensive game. If he has any future at international, premiership or even championship level, it has to be a righ fullback. He had a goal kick from howard to deal with, swung at it and missed allowing yakubu in for the one, then let Johnson get goal side on a long ball over the top for another. That is bread and butter stuff. Even in park football you simply don't let the ball bounce.
Talent is useless with out attitude, and attitude is useless without talent. If we had a few more players with McShane's attitude and Clinton Morrisons talent, we would be a lot better off than we are.
Walsall is right. There is no comparison with Dick Dunne and Paul McShane. Dunne had talent, his problem was he was turning up drunk to training and had very little commitment to football. McShane has the commitment but he is a donkey.
Andy O'Brien is proving that form temporary, class permanent adage has a bit of merit to it, he is doing great for Bolton and has to be miles ahead of McShane in any reasonable manager's eyes.
"No regrets, none at all. My only regret is that we went out on penalties. That's my only regret. But no, no regrets." -Mick McCarthy
Five live commentrary said O Brien was outstanding v Man U.After Germany I would like to see Joey O Brien at CB again.Could be a long term option and hopefully a revelation.
On MOTD.Shearer:"McShane had a game he will want to forget.
Lawerson:"Are you sure it is'nt Mcshame"
Hopefully the lad will bounce back because he is young and the whole Sunderland team looked a mess.
It was Andy O'Brien they were praising for Bolton (or did i misunderstand the post?).
Anyway we have no competitve game for nearly a year but on current form I'd have AO'B and JO'S ahead of McShane, with Dunne the obvious shoe in. I agree that Joey O'B did well against Germany but I'm not sure you can trust a makeshift CB over the longer run. If we had a game next month I'd have McShane in the squad and in the squad only.
Anyone get a look at St Leger in the Preston vs Charlton game that was live on SKY? He was playing left sided CB in the first 10 mins.
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O'Dea would be a better long term option afaiacFive live commentrary said O Brien was outstanding v Man U.After Germany I would like to see Joey O Brien at CB again.Could be a long term option and hopefully a revelation.
On MOTD.Shearer:"McShane had a game he will want to forget.
Lawerson:"Are you sure it is'nt Mcshame"
Hopefully the lad will bounce back because he is young and the whole Sunderland team looked a mess.
Let him win a place at Celtic first. He's 4th or even 5th choice centre half at Celtic depending on where you place Steven Pressley.
Well he was rated very highly at Man Utd and was getting motm in almost every game for Brighton. I really do think he has an excellent brain so unlike Phil Babb he'll be learning a lot with every game. Maybe his lack of natural talent is being shown up atm but I just can't see him not being a great organiser when he's older.
As for him playing right back, I'd rather he retired. He lacks most of the things you need to be a right back. You don't need pace to be a centre half.
Dunne-McShane is still my first choice partnership by far. I think they really compliment each other well.
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I was at the game, thought St Ledger did well had to cope with the ariel and physical threat of Iwelomo and the pace and movement of Thomas and Zeng.
Thought he handled them well, like the way he read the game and at times stood off and allowed Iwelomo to jump for the ball and then just swept up Iwelomo's flick ons.
Looked comfortable on the ball and was always available.
As for McShane saw his performance last night on TV and showed what a lot of WBA fans and some of the coaching staff had been saying about him.
He flatters to deceive and is being found out! lacks pace, does not read the game well, and has poor distribution.
On watching both these players performances then surely the likes of St Ledger deserves a chance in the Ireland team to show what he can do, far more accomplished than the very limited pair of McShane and Bruce.
As they say in Football "Sometimes it's better to be a lucky footballer than a good one"
Well it looks like McShanes luck is running out!
When I saw St Leger last year I thought he looked like a more aggressive version of Gary Breen. That's actually not a bad thing in my opinion, before people ask!
McShane is the #3 center-half at Sunderland, he only plays in the center when the Nosworthy & the other guy aren't fit, otherwise it's right back just as it was at West Brom, but the kid is young.
I didn't see the game yesterday but he lined up alongside: Higginbotham, Harte, Edwards from what I cna tell - 3 full backs!
McShane will make a decent center-back alongside a pacey partner. The problem is when he has an off day and his concentration is poor he will look appallingly bad. McShane needs 100% concenration to be effective in the Premier League and at international level as he doesn't have the pace which can get you out of trouble and give you a second chance.
Everton was definitely targeting McShane and Ian Harte yesterday. McShane was pretty bad but did make a few nice blocks. Unfortunately for Sunderland, it appeared there were 4 extra Lee Carsleys on the pitch because whenever they moved forward he appeared from nowhere and broke it up. For all the goal scoring, Carsley was the MotM in my opinion. He completely annihilated anything Sunderland tried to do and that created plenty of opportunity for the Everton goalscorers. McShane might be better off in a holding midfield role where his lack of pace might not hurt as much. Without the speedy Nyron Nosworthy as his partner, he was a mess.
McShane only moved to right back a few weeks ago when halford got suspended he is actually a centre half for us. And he didnt line up alongside 3 full backs. Higginbottom is a centre half and Edwards was playing right of midfield.
McShane played centre half, Nosworthy right back against Newcastle. Did ok.
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