Paul McShane

[Noelys Guitar]

The Bulgarian's and especially the Italian's will exploit a player like McShane ruthlessly. At the moment he is a train wreck and can't be in the team.

[Condex]

When McShanes is mentioned in a match report, its usually followed by the word 'mistake'

[Seagull-4-life]

When McShanes is mentioned in a match report, its usually followed by the word 'mistake'

He's a walking mistake

[portland]

McShane unfortunetly is not progressing the way people hoped - he is just a good championship player now and thats playing at right back.

Shouldnt be any were near the Irish X1 unless we have a spate load of injuries.

[eirebhoy]

Obviously McShane was at fault for the goal on Saturday but I think I'm right in saying that if Delaney had been on line with Dunne and Kelly then the goalscorer would have been caught offside. McShane obviously shouldn't have assumed that would be the case (since he himself wasn't on line) and he tried to be too clever. Like Dunne, he's going to be less error prone as he gets older and hopefully we'll get to see him fulfill his huge potential.

Good to see that Trap rates McShane. There's loads of players that have put in 1 or 2 incredible performances that I don't rate. McShane is different. Those few fantastic performances that he has put in, imo, is a sign of the player he will become. He has the intelligence unlike those that fail.

[the doc]

Obviously McShane was at fault for the goal on Saturday but I think I'm right in saying that if Delaney had been on line with Dunne and Kelly then the goalscorer would have been caught offside. McShane obviously shouldn't have assumed that would be the case (since he himself wasn't on line) and he tried to be too clever. Like Dunne, he's going to be less error prone as he gets older and hopefully we'll get to see him fulfill his huge potential.

Good to see that Trap rates McShane. There's loads of players that have put in 1 or 2 incredible performances that I don't rate. McShane is different. Those few fantastic performances that he has put in, imo, is a sign of the player he will become. He has the intelligence unlike those that fail.

I'd say that is a worry, even Stevie Wonder can see that McShane isn't good enough.

How long before Trapp see's it too? Or is he still listening to the likes of DG?

[jmurphyc]

I'd say that is a worry, even Stevie Wonder can see that McShane isn't good enough.

How long before Trapp see's it too? Or is he still listening to the likes of DG?

I'd say Trapattoni rates him for a reason. I trust that he is more knowledgeable on what it takes to be a good player than all of the people who frequent these forums. Besides, McShane won player of the year in two successive seasons at Brighton and West Brom. They might be in the Championship but that is still a commendable achievement.

[the doc]

I'd say Trapattoni rates him for a reason. I trust that he is more knowledgeable on what it takes to be a good player than all of the people who frequent these forums. Besides, McShane won player of the year in two successive seasons at Brighton and West Brom. They might be in the Championship but that is still a commendable achievement.

Lets see if he still rates him after a few more matches, I doubt it, and most football knowledgeable fans at WBA didn't rate him!

But if he's the type and standard of player you want playing for us, then don't come on here moaning when we fail to qualify.

[irishultra]

I think Trapattoni is more knowledgeable than those ''knowledgeable fans at WBA''

[jmurphyc]

But if he's the type and standard of player you want playing for us, then don't come on here moaning when we fail to qualify.

I don't "want" that standard of player playing for us. I don't think he's ready yet but we just don't have a lot of options at centre back. I wasn't one of the people who was jumping for joy after his game against the Czechs. I could see that he was quite a raw player, and he still is. But I can see the potential in him. I'm trying to look at the player in an objective manner instead of going from he's our saviour to he's the worst player to ever play for us and should never wear the shirt again.

As for Trapattoni "seeing" that he isn't up to it after a few games when you can see that he isn't up to it now, do you honestly believe that you can understand football better than Trapattoni? If you think that, then you're very delusional. If it was Staunton I could understand, but it's not.

I'm not the type of person who will start moaning should we fail, provided we are managed competently. To be honest, I think we'll run it close, but I don't expect us to qualify. I think there are too many factors that go against us. There is, of course, a chance though.

[Kingdom]

I'd say that is a worry, even Stevie Wonder can see that McShane isn't good enough.

How long before Trapp see's it too? Or is he still listening to the likes of DG?

What I can't stand about this site is that there is an almost instant judgement made on a player. The boy had a great start for us, got into a hole with his club and has been unfortunate a few times.
I think its hard to see him becoming a top player for us, but I'm not going to rule it out completely.
I don't agree that he's shown as much ability as Richie Dunne did as a youngster, but I don't think he's shown us he's Paul Butler either.

As far as things go I'm willing to trust Trap as long as it takes.

[Seagull-4-life]

If he stars tonight at least we'll get a laugh out of the match

[eirebhoy]

Kiely kept us in the match in the first half but I thought McShane was easily our best player in the 2nd half. An outstanding 45 minutes from him. He was constantly clearing balls out of the box.

[Wolfie]

Kiely kept us in the match in the first half but I thought McShane was easily our best player in the 2nd half. An outstanding 45 minutes from him. He was constantly clearing balls out of the box.

I think the Mick McCarthyesque "No Nonsense. Row Z" approach is the way forward for Paul

[paul_oshea]

I think the Mick McCarthyesque "No Nonsense. Row Z" approach is the way forward for Paul

He stuck his head instintively yesterday where some people probably wouldn't even have stuck their feet! I think a tight pitch and a tight game suits him that he can attack the ball on, rather than a slow game with slick passing as he gets found out.

[amaccann]

I think the Mick McCarthyesque "No Nonsense. Row Z" approach is the way forward for Paul

Yeah, but Trap will no doubt ... "quietly"... point out to our Paul that his methods of clearing the danger tend to put the ball back into the feet of the opposition.

[Wolfie]

Yeah, but Trap will no doubt ... "quietly"... point out to our Paul that his methods of clearing the danger tend to put the ball back into the feet of the opposition.

True - that whole "passing" thing is a trouble area for McShane alright. Any chance he could pick it up and run with it? A few hand passes here and there, maybe.

[Kingdom]

They showed Trap walking across the pitch at the end of the game, then looks across and he can be seen mouthing
"McShane , Bravo!"

[amaccann]

True - that whole "passing" thing is a trouble area for McShane alright. Any chance he could pick it up and run with it? A few hand passes here and there, maybe.

I think he just needs to calm down & not play like he's permanently under siege and / or on Coke. He definitely shows the impetuousness of youth in the way he plays & defends. You gotta love his heart in sticking his body into anything, but I just wish he looked around him cos even a simple flat pass across the back would be better than rowZ. Traps comments about staring at the grass spring to mind.

[eirebhoy]

McShane is also a player that Trap feels is really low in confidence. If last night was him playing with low confidence then we've nothing to worry about. In fairness he did look a nervous wreck a couple of times when he got the ball last night. One particular time just at the centre circle he went to play a back pass and the ball got stuck under his feet. I go on about confidence in players all the time so really I can imagine how good Dunne and McShane can be if full of confidence.

amaccann - you really could be describing Puyol there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YciOwBodD44
^^ Skinned twice in that clip. McShane's style of play really reminds me of Puyol, without the distribution. Cannavaro too. I bet he made many mistakes at 22 because of his style of play. I'm talking about style of play btw, not ability.