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Fair enough if people wanted to boo but I wouldnt do it myself. What annoys me is how the only time most of yiz made any noise was when you got the chance to abuse manager and team. People say 'I pay hundreds of euros to have the right to boo', I dont think your right to express should be based on financial imput but rather your vocal imput and support.If Ireland fans were singing and supporting the team vocally all game and dont think the team are matching their efforts then I think you have the right.If you sit on your @rse passing criticisms for the entire game expecting the to be entertained then you dont have the right.
As Humphreys said, your only customers now.
Another thing that annoys me is the level of abuse that people hurl at Stan forgetting how much he gave to Ireland over the years,winning over 100 caps, and like anyone,understandably said yes to an opportunity to manage his country, but now a 'fu cken arsehole'. Dislike his managing techniques, style, job performance etc, but theres no need to attack him as a person. Hes just a man who wasnt that good at his job,not a criminal.
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Paul McGrath, Roy Keane, Liam Brady, Frank Stapleton and anyone else you care to mention who are sinonamous with Irish football would get similar levels of abuse if they'd repeatedly demonstrated the levels of gross incompetence, ineptitude and utter, utter self-dillusion that Stan has made his hallmark.Originally Posted by Beavis
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Yeah and its idiotic.They are better footballers than you have or will ever be.I'd only abuse if they werent trying. Ireland players rarely if ever dont try. If they did I'd be the first to shout.
Take Robbie for example,what should he do on the back of a few bad games, in order to avoid becoming a 'b ollox' in the view of the fans?refuse to play?surely that would be the decent thing to do
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Perfectly right, Displeasure has to be expressed and it's the only way. Thats what made the news this morning.
I wouldn't imagine that many people went to the match last night expecting to be entertained given the performances in the rest of the campaign. I say it was more hope than expectation.
When the manager and the FAI continually spin that it is only a minority of fans that are not happy what option are we left with, but to boo.
"I'd rather play in front of a full house than an empty crowd" Johnny Giles
Trying isn't good enough. Sorry. I'll try me feckin heart out and I'll do it for free. He's not up to the job. How many more servings of evidence are needed?
As for Robbie -he should take a close look at his scoring profile over the last campaign and ask himself "has being captain helped or hindered or been a neutral factor in the execution of my primary function -getting goals?"
If he wants to make a big deal out of relinquishing the arm-band he should then "do a Beckham" on it and stammer his way through a prepared statement saying it's been a blast and an honour but now it's time to concentrate on what he's supposed to do best.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Youre right he is not up to the job,I said I hadnt any real problem with the booing but you admit that you could try and not be good enough, and therefore under the fans criteria, you deserve to be subject to a tirade of personal abuse, preferably delivered from some seething tub of lard.
On the other hand someone who has voluntarily neglected the irish cause eg Daddy Dick, I would happily see torn apart.
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Here's my take on the matter that i posted in another thread;
I was at the game last night and was thinking about this very thing. In my eyes actively booing your own team during 90 minutes play is definitely wrong. I was raging as much as anyone else but I could not bring myself to booing my own players or booing for any reason while play is going on. I mean there were fans at the game last night booing us when an attack broke down or someone mis controlled a ball...what purpose does that serve? They are not playing **** on purpose.
So, anyway I was thinking is there any other way to show our displeasure other than booing our own team while they are representing us on the pitch and I came up with an idea that definitely would have shown our frustration, but without rallying against our own team during the game.
What if instead of fans leaving early and then flooding out on the final whistle we stayed were we were and chanted for the next 30 minutes 'We want Delaney Out / We want Staunton Out' etc.
This would have got massive coverage because it is not the normal way that these things go down and would sure as hell have got our message across.
I think wheter Staunton is gone or not come the Wales game this is what those of us going to that game should still do. We need to get rid of the powers that be, they can't get away with it yet again - they are destoying the soul of our national team. I am dreading going to that game and having to sit through fans venting their frustrations during the game and getting on our players backs. So, why don't we back the lads during the game and then come the final whistle vent all our frustrations in a 30 minute demonstration?
I think it would be a powerful message and only wish I had thought of it before these home games and got the ball rolling on it because it would have been perfect after last nights shambles.
No matter how frustrating it gets a true Irish fan should never boo the team. What we should organise is some kind of Rally outside Merrion square.
I don't think Robbie would use big words like that.
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Fans were absolultely right to boo. It's not just about the match; the booing is being used as a soundtrack to put Delaney under more pressure on the news and al over the media, which can only be good.
However, it should be noted that, even after the Cypriot goal, when the team were going forward, the crowd got right behind them again. Don't see a problem with that.
Stauntan was a loyal servant over a long international career and the abuse hes had to to take from the media and the fans is just disgusting.
As much as i think hes not the right choice for the job i really felt sorry for him last night as it has been a tough few months for him and i alsio think irish fans have become very fickle lot
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We've been loyal servants just as long, if not longer, and the abuse we've had to take from the pitch has also been disgusting.
I didnt boo last night, not that i disagree with it.
But neither did I celebrate our goal (nor did Finnan to his credit).
And I actually laughed when Cyprus scored. Not deliberately, it was just an explosion of emotional disbelief.
PS Not to be pedantic but Hand's last game was Denmark (1-4).
I booed. I booed during the game, I booed after the game. I booed the management, the board and the players. Why do people say we shouldn't boo the players, as if they are completely blameless. They are ones who play on the park and the majority of the blame should be aimed at them.
I think I should the parachute, because I'm great.
In fact, I think I should get both parachutes, in case one doesn't work.
Yeah and you were too busy doing that to realise there was a game of relevance on in front of you. When the team needs the supporters most what do we do?
Modern-day Ireland fans are completely caught up in (and dictated by) the tabloid culture of baying for blood which, for years previous, we looked on in Britain with disdain.
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aGREE 100 PER CENT WITH THE BOOING. ONLY FOR ADDED TIME CYPRUS HAD BEATEN US WELL. CAN YOU IMAGINE TWO DEAFEAT BY CYPRUS. ALSO WE COULD NOW FINISH BELOW THEM AND SLOVAKIA CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT. WHAT A TERRBILE PERFORMANCE BY TEAM,MANAGEMENT AND ADMISNISTRATION
Thats very true. The tabloids were looking for Stans head straight away after he was appointed. It was because he was not this big name world-class manager who would sell papers and make headlines. Most Irish fans fell for this and got on Stans back even before his first competitive match as they were judging him on friendlies instead of getting behind the team for the qualifiers. At this stage I agree with the sacking of Stan but not for the lack of trying. It was unfair on the man to be given such a job in the public eye without any experience. Doctors and Lawyers etc... do nothave get appointed in a job where they have no experience. Stan went from reserve team coach at Walsall to Ireland manager. It makes no sense. I believe the Irish fans who booed against Cyprus were doing so to make their views heard on the current situation and management team. It was nothing got to do with not being a real fan. They wouldnt have stayed on to watch that ****e if they werent so called "real fans". I think once Deleany heard this booing he realised it was about time he looked at the current management team as if he doesnt Irish soccer is on a very slippery slope
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I think we were entitled to boo after that performance/group performance, if nothing else to register our unhappiness. Delaney now knows he has to sacrifice somebody and it isnt going to be him.
First time ever never celebrated an Ireland goal.
While i understand where the tabloid comment comes front it will be a cold day in hell get lead by a tabloid agenda
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