Ireland "Football" team vs. Cyprus - Post Match Discussion

**Ned Kelly** · 17/10/2007, 10:09 PM

He should be sent to that island where lost is filmed..nobody would miss the clown

**onenilgameover** · 17/10/2007, 10:17 PM

oh dear god I'm so angry..The lads beside us had this banner... it was up for about 3 mins before taken down. I sent it to all the newspapers photo desks....I ask the guy who took it...why ....he said he got a call from the fai and the head of security to take it straight away. He was told that no banners of that kind were allowed. The lads who had it were from Limerick...A guy called Ian...said he was on foot.ie...fair play to him...so so angry...

**SuperDave** · 17/10/2007, 10:21 PM

with a draw in wales, chances are we'll finish third. in fact, even with a defeat, we might nick it. not that it matters one tiny single little bit.

**don ramo** · 17/10/2007, 10:22 PM

free speech, should sue the FAI and when you win, theyll be broke and we can take it over,
Foot.ieAI

**geysir** · 17/10/2007, 10:28 PM

Rte Panel part 2

ED: Its an ordeal for Stan, he should never have been put in there, the conseq are fierce for everybody . I dont like to have a good football man in this position
Stan Interview: silence, no sound, his lips are moving but I cant hear what he is saying, (we are all comfortably numb)
Back to studio
BH: Delaney, a wonderfull man doing wonderfull job, why cant he admit mistake?

JG: it will come to that.

Stan interview back on: In despair, poor job tonight from all, players and manager.
Joey did well on sat, did well in training, was poor tonight, we changed but it was still nil nil when he came off.
we are all dissap and very lucky to get out of jail. no excuses a little bit better in 2nd half but still way off the required standard..
I will get on with my job and see it through

LB: Liam knows his contracts he had to deal with Italians (espec the Ascoli mafia) Liam explains the intricicies to JG that there is a difference between resigning and getting sacked. "There is a difference to Stan, John" he signed for 4 years he wont be resigning after 2.

JG: Toshack was dreadful the other night at least Stan had dignity. John thinks that Stan should resign contract or no contract.

ED: we deserve better fans players, Finnan Dunne.
delaneys credibility is shot to bits in terms of dissapointment which is at the core, the core everything, responsibiliy has to be accepted not just in terms of tonite. Playing for your country is the highest desire, all kids want to play for their country.
Lacking in Staunton is the experience neccessary to coach at this level, there is nothing wrong with Steve Staunton the man the footballer.

Bill: Isnt is possible that England Scotland Wales Irel and NI all will not qualify

**SuperDave** · 17/10/2007, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

Rte Panel part 2

ED: Its an ordeal for Stan, he should never have been put in there, the conseq are fierce for everybody . I dont like to have a good football man in this position
Stan Interview: silence, no sound, his lips are moving but I cant hear what he is saying, (we are all comfortably numb)
Back to studio
BH: Delaney wonderfull man wonderfull job why cant he admit mistake

JG: it will come to that

Stan interview back on: In despair, poor job from all, players and manager.
Joey did well on sat did well in training, was poor tonight, we changed but it was still nil nil.
we are all dissap and very lucky to get out of jail. no excuses a little bit better in 2nd half.
I will get on with my job and see it through

LB: explains to JG that there is a difference between resigning and getting sacked. There is a difference to Stan John he signed for 4 years.

JG: Toshack was dreadful the other night at least Stan had dignity.

ED: we deserve better fans players, Finnan Dunne.
delaneys credibility is shot to bits in terms of dissapointment which is at the core the core everything, responsibiliy has to be accepted not just in terms of tonite. Playing for your country is the highest desire all kids want to play for their country.
Lacking in Staunton is the experience neccessary to coach at this level, there is nothing wrong with Steve Staunton.

Bill: Isnt is possible that England Scotland Wales Irel and NI all will not qualify

two definitely won't, one almost certainly won't, and the other two quite possibly won't. the worst now would be if england qualified and scotland didn't.

anyway, scotlands result changes little... it now means they need to beat italy rather than draw, although even if they draw, france will need a point in the ukraine to pip them

**Maroon 7** · 17/10/2007, 10:37 PM

Stan on TV3 sports. No intention of resigning. Looking forward to World Cup campaign. Confident of the backing of the FAI, etc, etc.

**backstothewall** · 17/10/2007, 10:52 PM

What went wrong....

To big a gap between defence and midfield in the second half as Dunphy mentioned. What he failed to mention was that the gap was caused by O'Brien coming off, and no one in midfield holding or tackling. He was awful going forward in the first half, but that’s not what he was there to do. He should have been told to win it and play the simple ball. He has also played in the middle of the park quite often for his club. This left acres for the Cypriots to play in, which allowed them to create several good chances.

Andy Reid was given no time on the ball by the Cypriots, and was unable to dictate the game as he did in Saturday. It was disappointing he was this easy to upset, but we need to have a plan B. He certainly looked out of shape coming off. Fitness a question. He didn't seem to be working much harder than anyone else, but it is hard to tell on TV. If he worked up that sweat fair play to him, but he didn't seem to do enough to me to merit a shirt sodden with sweat. Benefit of the doubt as carrying a knock, but dubious that his ankle was a reason

Keogh was awful. Hadn't a clue what he should be doing out there. Hunt was one of the brighter players on the other side, but was swapped onto the right side when McGeady came on, leaving us with the farcical situation of Hunt and McGeady cutting inside every time they got the ball. This lead to the entire game being played in front of the Cypriots. They were not stretched, and we never got behind them after McGeady came on. Neither McGeady, Keogh nor Hunts fault to my eyes

Robbie was pretty poor, but he had nothing at all to work with. Again when he got the ball it was because he was coming wide or short where he has less impact. As captain he probably feels he has to do this, and it is a result of the shambles in midfield meaning he gets no supply. Not his fault imho

McShane lost his man for the goal, and as Giles (I think) pointed out we missed Dunne organising the offside trap on a few occasions, which could have let them in, and which a better side would punish.

On the up side Given was outstanding, and the full backs did their job with no fuss.

Given 8 - did everything he could
Finnan 7 - One of the better performances. Good finish
Kilbane 6 - Looked solid against poor opposition
O'Shea 5 - Should have been a bigger influence as the senior centre back
McShane 5 - Lost his man for the goal
Keogh 4 - Out of position. Awful
O Brien 5 - Not a bad as some suggesting. Was missed when taken off
Reid 5 - Couldn't get into the game. Benefit of the doubt as carrying a knock
Hunt 6 - Worked hard, did better than most until taken out of position by idiot manager
Keane 5 - Couldn't get into it, especially in second half. No supply. (Another) bad miss with header
Doyle 6 - Put in an honest shift. Far from the worst performance in the game

McGeady - Cut inside every time he got the ball. This guy clearly needs to be on the right. Just because Strachan plays him on the left doesn't make it right
Miller - Can't remember anything he did, despite being on for 45 minutes
Murphy - Not on long enough to rate

**tetsujin1979** · 17/10/2007, 10:57 PM

for the first time after a game, I don't feel anything, not anger, not shame, just numb.
That's probably the worst thing I can say about the setup at senior level right now, they've lost the ability to inspire emotion in me.
Words fail me.

**Billy Lord** · 17/10/2007, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by baileban

Billy Lord - Dunphy did lay the blame at John Delaney - he mentioned him specifically and the rest of the FAI as the person/s responsible.

If Dunphy named him specifically it was after I'd stopped watching (I was with my wife at home and she has a lower pain threshold than mine when it come to football), then fair play. Dunphy was a big Delaney fan - I don't know why - but if he's come around to reality after an undeserved 1-1 draw v Cyprus at a GAA stadium I congratulate him and his perception. Words eaten.
Next home games at the RDS?

**backstothewall** · 17/10/2007, 11:04 PM

for the first time after a game, I don't feel anything, not anger, not shame, just numb.
That's probably the worst thing I can say about the setup at senior level right now, they've lost the ability to inspire emotion in me.
Words fail me.

It'll come.

**geysir** · 17/10/2007, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Billy Lord

If Dunphy named him specifically it was after I'd stopped watching (I was with my wife at home and she has a lower pain threshold than mine when it come to football), then fair play. Dunphy was a big Delaney fan - I don't know why - but if he's come around to reality after an undeserved 1-1 draw v Cyprus at a GAA stadium I congratulate him and his perception. Words eaten.
Next home games at the RDS?

Yeah Dunphy named him "Delaneys credibility is shot to bits"
For more info
please refer to the Dunphy "The chameleon of pundits" thread

**4tothefloor** · 17/10/2007, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Billy Lord

Felt sorry for Cyprus. They deserved a win and Ireland needed a defeat. The sooner this jokeshop regime ends, the better.
On another note, the attendance showed up 'the best fans in the world' cliche as pure fantasy. It was like watching a GAA game at Croker as there were so many empty seats at the start (were there slow barman operating in the boozers around Croker?) and thousands poured out before the end (Jayze, Mick, we could get an extra pint in if we left now!).
Proper fans stay till the final whistle. Part-timers leave early.

Who'd want to stay to watch that s**t? In fact, who'd even want to go to the game in the first place? You'd say something if we were sending out a team that was selected properly, that knew what they were doing and that played with pride, passion and fight. Why should a fan blindly follow a team when none of those things are in place? Why should fans travel long distances, miss work and fork out on an expensive day out in Dublin to watch that garbage? When they know it's going to be garbage?! Real fans my @rse, that's a load of idealistic rubbish. Fans vote with their feet and display displeasure with their voice. Always have, always will. You're not related to Delaney by any chance?

Originally Posted by Billy Lord

And yet Dunphy didn't finger his mate Delaney, the FAI top man and the guy who gave Staunton the job even though he was clearly unsuitable.
If Staunton goes, Delaney must go too. All Dunphy did was play to the gallery without getting to the kernel of the problem.
Mind you, that's something Irish people love: meaningless, patronising rhetoric.
As I said, if Staunton must go, Delaney must go too. Otherwise it's a waste of time.

That's all wrong because Dunphy pin pointed Delaney a number of times. But don't let that get in the way of a good arguement

Originally Posted by onenilgameover

oh dear god I'm so angry..The lads beside us had this banner... it was up for about 3 mins before taken down. I sent it to all the newspapers photo desks....I ask the guy who took it...why ....he said he got a call from the fai and the head of security to take it straight away. He was told that no banners of that kind were allowed. The lads who had it were from Limerick...A guy called Ian...said he was on foot.ie...fair play to him...so so angry...

Well those of us who are travelling to Cardiff know what to do. They can't take the banners off of us there, and we should make sure that the RTE cameras know that we have the banners as well. Focus it on Delaney and Staunton for he entire game and GET THEM OUT. Enough is enough

**eirebhoy** · 17/10/2007, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

for the first time after a game, I don't feel anything, not anger, not shame, just numb.
That's probably the worst thing I can say about the setup at senior level right now, they've lost the ability to inspire emotion in me.
Words fail me.

I wasn't bothered when Cyprus scored, wasn't bothered when Ireland scored. I'm going to Wales and I think it'll just be a match for protest.

**soccerc** · 17/10/2007, 11:32 PM

I haven't seen the RTE post match stuff with Dunphy but he's right. There has been intimidation not only over the past week.

It's no surprise that there is now no independent Irish football website in existence. ( ..and no they did not cease due too hissy fits)

Wake up and smell the bitter coffee served from Merrion Square.

How about the lads who had a "Delaney Out" banner confiscated because " ...you can't have anything negative towards the FAI", that according to the steward/supervisor who said he was acting on direct instructions from the FAI's head of security.

If any of you are punters then lay, for fun, a small wager on Paul Jewell

**Billy Lord** · 17/10/2007, 11:50 PM

As I said, if Dunphy laid into Delaney, fair play. But WTF is Paul Jewell? How about getting in a coach who a) wants Ireland to play football, b) wishes to develop the game technically at home and at underage level, c) will discourage kids going to England at an early age and d) commands the respect of the senior players? Because that's the type of coach we need.

**Closed Account 2** · 17/10/2007, 11:58 PM

We have become a team of mincers... The players are all floppy drips. They're fairweather players, when the going is good they can put in a performance, but as soon as the opposition show some resistance then they cave in. We need someone who'll go in there and shake things about a bit.

There is no passionate ball winner, we can't afford to have these dandy mincers who just swan around. Of the players who have played in the last few games only Dunne and maybe Carsley have shown anything like the passion to win. Given is good too but his passion has limitations - he's in goal, he can't really inspire the team from back there.

The manager can't inspire the players, to be honest he's totally uninspirational and devoid of any tactical knowledge. In international management you have to either (a) inspire passion (like Bilic, Blazevic, Sanchez, Scolari) or (b) have to have tactical acumen (like Hodgson, Jacquet, Lippi, Largerbeck etc). Stan can't do either, so he really has to go.

If I was in charge I'd pack the middle of the park with passionate ball winners. Carsley, Stevie Reid, Garvan - these guys have to be in the team on a regular basis. As I see it, in the 1990s we had players like Townsend who would battle and fight for the full 90mins, then Roy Keane, then when he went we slipped. We got Kava in and he injected a bit of passion (but he's too old now) and we nearly got back on track for Euro 2004 and started WC2006 fairly well.

Those are my thoughts after watching the sloppy mess that was put on tonight.

Of course all of this is irrelevant as Stan is staying on, and worst of all that f�ckless muppet, the mothership of ineptitude, Oscar Wilde is still atop his Ivory Tower at the FAI.