Dublin Metro line to cost 5 Billion

**pete** · 07/08/2007, 2:23 PM

Report in todays Irish Times saying the Metro from St Stephens Green to Swords costed at 5 billion euro.

- Ballymun section to be underground for some unknown reason.
- Underground stations to be basic in attempt to keep the costs down.

I am in favour of improving infrastructure but 5 billion for 1 Metro line is crazy especially as no cost-benefit analysis done & very slim chance it would come in under budget.

**Dodge** · 07/08/2007, 2:46 PM

Though it was 5 billion including the Metro West route. Underground is under DCU I think (could be completely wrong on this)

**Lionel Ritchie** · 07/08/2007, 3:49 PM

Let's not forget either we'll probably have John O'Donohues progeny telling us in 20 years time that 5 Billion Euro was a back of an envelope costing.

**pete** · 07/08/2007, 3:53 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Though it was 5 billion including the Metro West route. Underground is under DCU I think (could be completely wrong on this)

Could not find anything in the Independent today but IT had a very good article.

Definitely underground through Ballymun although it is probably cut 'n cover & I am fairly sure it only mentioned Dublin North. You will find links on the web mentioning 10bn for combination of West & North routes.

**jebus** · 07/08/2007, 5:51 PM

And yet there still isn't any plans to put a direct train line from Limerick to Galway? Jesus, heaven forbid the good people of Dublin have to use any of their already adequate publin transport to get around

**onceahoop** · 07/08/2007, 6:35 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Report in todays Irish Times saying the Metro from St Stephens Green to Swords costed at 5 billion euro.

- Ballymun section to be underground for some unknown reason.

Originally proposed to be on stilts but the locals objected to this and demanded it be underground. Thought with the social problems they have in Ballymun the last thing they'd want would be a haven for all sorts of unsocial activity. The Dart can be bad enough at night apparently.

**John83** · 07/08/2007, 6:41 PM

Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

Let's not forget either we'll probably have John O'Donohues progeny telling us in 20 years time that 5 Billion Euro was a back of an envelope costing.

There's two of him? And they can breed?

**Dodge** · 07/08/2007, 6:41 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

And yet there still isn't any plans to put a direct train line from Limerick to Galway? Jesus, heaven forbid the good people of Dublin have to use any of their already adequate publin transport to get around

Adequate eh...

Fair enough Pete, I must've gotten the wrong end of the stick...

**John83** · 07/08/2007, 6:43 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

And yet there still isn't any plans to put a direct train line from Limerick to Galway?

They can't get clean water in Galway. What chance have they of getting a train?

**Poor Student** · 07/08/2007, 7:02 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

And yet there still isn't any plans to put a direct train line from Limerick to Galway? Jesus, heaven forbid the good people of Dublin have to use any of their already adequate publin transport to get around

Adequate for the South East of the city, not much use to those of us in other parts.

**pete** · 07/08/2007, 7:39 PM

I think original FF plan was to complete the Metro by 2010.

**thejollyrodger** · 07/08/2007, 8:16 PM

what a joke

**Schumi** · 07/08/2007, 8:55 PM

I love the way the figures in the documents were all blacked out but the Times could read them by holding them up to the light.

**pete** · 07/08/2007, 9:13 PM

Some International comparisons:

Amsterdam

Tuesday 26 September 2006
Metro costs soar
The cost of Amsterdam�s north-south metro line has gone up again, this time by �83 mln which raises the total estimate to �1.8 bn. Completion date is now 2013. The state is paying �1.1bn towards the new route, the rest must come from the council.

I don't know how long this one is but Dublin North will cost at least 500m per mile & I would not have considered Holland a cheap country...

**Macy** · 08/08/2007, 7:10 AM

Originally Posted by pete

Underground stations to be basic in attempt to keep the costs down.

Including no escalators!

Originally Posted by pete

I am in favour of improving infrastructure but 5 billion for 1 Metro line is crazy especially as no cost-benefit analysis done & very slim chance it would come in under budget.

Sure add it to the list of projects with no cost-benefit analysis. None of the infrastructure has had it, decentralisation hasn't had it etc.

Originally Posted by jebus

Jesus, heaven forbid the good people of Dublin have to use any of their already adequate publin transport to get around.

Adequate? Yeah, that's why the city is snarled up to such an extent everyday. Having said that, 5billion would buy an awful lot of buses and park and ride car parks around the city with delivery a hell of a lot quicker.

**galwayhoop** · 08/08/2007, 9:37 AM

at a price tag of €5 billion it makes the Bertie Bowl sound cheap.... could it be a cunning ploy to get the Bowl up and running.......

**geysir** · 08/08/2007, 10:22 AM

Tuesday 26 September 2006
Metro costs soar
The cost of Amsterdam’s north-south metro line has gone up again, this time by €83 mln which raises the total estimate to €1.8 bn. Completion date is now 2013. The state is paying €1.1bn towards the new route, the rest must come from the council.

Afair it's about 10km, over half of it underground.

**redgav** · 08/08/2007, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by jebus

And yet there still isn't any plans to put a direct train line from Limerick to Galway? Jesus, heaven forbid the good people of Dublin have to use any of their already adequate publin transport to get around

are you for real .125,000 + in swords alone , yet the only transport is Bus which takes 1.5 hours at the best of times .

**Torn-Ado** · 08/08/2007, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by jebus

And yet there still isn't any plans to put a direct train line from Limerick to Galway?

Thats never ever going to happen.

**pete** · 08/08/2007, 2:03 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

Including no escalators!

Reading some facts on the web on the Metro plan yesterday & some bizarre decisions & cost cutting/hiding measures.
* Capacity won't even meet current demand based on the numbers from Luas Green line.
* Swords is not included so when they add that its likely trains will be full before they get close to the City centre & prevents future expansion.
* Reduced numbers of ticket gates to reduce costs.
* No mention of modern safety doors (the ones that open aligned to the train when it arrives)
* Different gauge & voltage to Dart so cannot be integrated.
* No links to Luas, Train or Dart.

Seems like either the RPA or the government trying to deliberately keep costs down so project will get the green light & future costs can be sold as extension costs. If there are no new Luas or Metro lines would the RPA people be unemployed?