The article in the indo hit the nail on the head. THe most balanced piece I have seen on Robbie Keane anywhere. Very good article.
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Since the world cup 2002, israel at home - for the half hour he was on - was the only competitive game i've seen him play anywhere near potential. Other than that game, he's been sh**eOriginally Posted by tetsujin1979
And don't give me his goals against san marino and in friendlies as a case for defense. They're simply meaningless goals
3 goals in one game against San Marino thats all he's scored during this qualifying campaign
Robbie keane is a disgrace for Ireland the last few year, to give him the captaincy was a foolish move by hte Ginger gimp. After that miss against Germany on Sat night he should be dropped but he will not be by the Ginger gimp. To start him against Cyprus would be telling all the team it ok to miss an easy chance like that against Germany in a meaningful qualifier.
3 goals against San Marino is all he has scored versus how many for Spurs,
Homer did it ever occur to you to let go of the Candy?
No matter who he scored them against, he is still top joint scored this campaign. If it was so easy to score against San Marino, then why didn't anyone else score 3 against them?
A "disgrace". How can you describe someone as a disgrace who works his socks of for his country, makes the runs and 90% of the time doesn't get the pass because of our poor midfield and does his best. Sure he missed the chances but I repeat at least he got in to the right position to score unlike his striking partner who seems to be beyond reproach.
I suspect the Spurs midfield is better than ours. A striker needs creative midfielders and now Reid is back, I am expecting more goals from Robbie but of course if he scores against Cyprus, they won't be acknowledged by his detractors.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
I said it before, the Keane Doyle partnership upfront is a complete misnomer. What Ireland badly need is a targetman. A big lad to cause havoc in the air up front. The majority of our players are tactically inept. Watching our players attempt to trap a ball and pass it is simply depressing and frustrating. Reid aside, our midfield is full of hoofers and cloggers, our defence is not much better.
We've tried our hand at playing football and failed. We simply can't do it. Bring back Route One.
I think I should the parachute, because I'm great.
In fact, I think I should get both parachutes, in case one doesn't work.
As far as I know, Stephen Ireland is top scorer on his own with four. Keane and Doyle have three each.
I think I should the parachute, because I'm great.
In fact, I think I should get both parachutes, in case one doesn't work.
lads that match on saturday was crap. good atmosphere, but we werent any good, germany didnt care, it was their C team, they were happy to come and go i.e. turning up was all they were interested in doing. Drawing against germany 0 - 0 at home and only producing 2 clear chances is not a great display or a moral victory. Had this been a must-win game for Germany they would have now, had it been we cannot lose game for us, we would have lost. Enough reading crap into these meaningless matches. Until we start winning let the analysis start. We have been here for the last 6 years and it does nothing, just frustrates me more and more. Rant over.
Can someone post that andy reid stuff I cant find it!
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That indo article,
Making the case for Liam Miller to play at RM against Germany
'On Saturday, the decision to include Andy Keogh in the starting 11 on the right side of midfield was a startling one. The Wolves striker is a talented player and does not deserve such ridicule and humiliation.
Admirably, while thrust into a role that only his international manager seems to genuinely rate him in, Keogh never shirked his responsibilities and continued to look for the ball despite the fact that he rarely looked comfortable on it and was struggling to expose the supposed weakness of Marcell Jansen.'
So we get some sanctamonious crap about Stan setting up Keogh for ridicule and embarrassment and that it was Keogh's own strenghts that saved him.
How about the simple explanation, the Manager had faith in Keogh's ability and we will be a better team for the experience and Keogh will be a better player for the experience.
Jansen needed plenty of help to curtail Keogh. He would have swallowed Miller alone.
Then the journo goes on to write
"In fairness to Staunton, his faith in O'Brien's ability to fill in at centre half was justified, although it helped that he had the inspired Richard Dunne alongside him"
Well surely Stan also knew beforehand that O'Brien would have Dunne beside him and we have had other centre half partners for Dunne who were not exempt from making crucial errors because of that privilege.
The Journo then says the "worst was saved for last" when Shay was told to get back in goal.
Stan was perfectly right in telling Given to get back in goal at the end.
If the journo has any idea on how Robbie can be less wastefull I would like to know them.
Then the journo goes on to write
"In fairness to Staunton, his faith in O'Brien's ability to fill in at centre half was justified, although it helped that he had the inspired Richard Dunne alongside him"
Well surely Stan also knew beforehand that O'Brien would have Dunne beside him and we have had other centre half partners for Dunne who were not exempt from making crucial errors because of that privilege.
But in fairness he only had the drop of a coin - which he probably did - to decide, it was a forced "decision" to include obrien at centre half. I basically think he thought about who is the naturally more gifted player and went with him.
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That not his god damn job. Im sick of people using the excuse that he is always dropping deep to pick up the ball. The guy is a striker and should be told beforehand by the manager to stay in his position. Its not his job to track down the ball and be the creator of everything. Too many times when we break forward Keane is nowhere to be seen up forward. I pity Doyle because Keabne must be a very difficult player to play with, you should always know where your partner is. Nobody can questions the guys commitment but his attitude stinks and taking him off on Saturday and making him give the captaincy to someone more deserving might just dent this attitude of his
Yeah I am sure Berbatov and Niall Quinn really hated playing beside Robbie Keane.
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David Healy and James McFadden hardly have world class midfielders behind them yet they're scoring against the likes of Spain, Sweden, France and Ukraine.I suspect the Spurs midfield is better than ours. A striker needs creative midfielders and now Reid is back, I am expecting more goals from Robbie but of course if he scores against Cyprus, they won't be acknowledged by his detractors
What an idiotic comment. Of course it matters who he scores against, what difference does it make when he scores against san marino when we're 4-0 up?? Compare this to scoring the winner against the likes of Slovakia and gaining 3 points
So would you say his Hat-Trick versus San Marino holds as much merit as that of David Healys versus Spain???
I really dont give a damn if Berbatov likes playing with him. And Quinn has been retired 5 years so i dont understand why you are bringing him up. Simply put to make the whinger a captain was a slap in the face to senior players like Dunne, Given and Finnan. The guys attitude is everything that is wrong with football. He is continously flapping his arms about as if he were directing planes, he is always in the refs face, he cant take an easy chance(For some reason he doesnt like getting the easy goals, who in their right mind would have tried to lob Lehmann when he was retreating), he is always out of position and he has not put in a performance for us in years. Im ****ed off of people using meaningless friendlies and matches against cndlestick makers to merit Keane's inclusion in the team. Yes he has been excellent for Spurs the past 3 years, but that form is not showing for Ireland. Giving him the captaincy has only increased his inflated ego and this was the last thing the guy needed. All he needs do is look at Doyle to find out how to conduct himself on a football pitch
I replied in relation to your comment that he is a nightmare to play with. I dont think he should be captain but thats not what I said. You said he would be a nightmare to play with and I would say most of the guys that played with him would say its a joy to play with him.
Doyle was crap the other night by the way but because he is an honest lad from Wexford he can do no wrong with some people. I like Doyle too but there is an agenda out there in relation to Keane and as I said before just read the article in the Indo today for a balanced and fair view on Keane for Ireland.
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Actually the indo said that given was telling kelly to push on for the corner in the last min and staunton told kelly to stay back. Which, if true, is a disgrace. Happy with a point that knocks us out of the euros for definite but keeps our 'magnificent' home record intact
Doyle has the right attitude and always always sticks to his job. When given a chance he generally takes it and never showboats unlike our Robbie. The reason i think Keane would be difficult to play with is because you never know where the guy is, he always feels he has to do the midfielders job as well. I was probably being harsh using the word nightmare but i do think he would be a hard player to play alongside. I dont need to read the Indo to get my opinions on Keane, i can make up my own mind. I would love to see the guy fufil his potential for ireland against the big teams but im beginning to wonder if it will happen. My big problem with the guy is his attitude
Ha ha, a closed mine is one that does not work in my view. I am not saying you have to get your opinions from the Indo but in can offer a view that you may have not though of. Other peoples opinions are always good to read hence why people come on a forum like this. If we all agreed or wanted to hang or debate with peopel we agreed with, it would be a boring world.
I dont think Keane has a bad attitude problem for Ireland. I think his efforts are misguided for Ireland and the system of play we are playing is not bringing out the best in him, and its not bringing out the best in a lot of our players either.
If we had a good manager who was strong with Keane, he would be telling him where to play and what runs to be making etc and we would have a clear pattern and system of play. Stans approach is to tell the players do what they do for their club. Depite the Fact Doyle is not Berbatov and Keane is not Leroy Lita or Dave Kitson.
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