4 Bohs fans jailed in Derry

**lofty9** · 11/10/2007, 2:41 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

So they're scrabbling around looking for legal representation now ? Reading between the lines, would I be right in summising that your brother didn't want to touch the case with a sh!tty stick? Chances are, he won't be the only one of that mind-set - especially in Derry.

well read between the lines

He's a big DC fan!

Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Appeal? They pleaded "Guilty" ffs, after having declined legal representation! This isn't the "Birmingham Six" we're talking about, so there is no chance of the verdict being overturned (imo).

Of course, they might appeal against the sentence, but if at the stricter end of the scale, it was hardly totally excessive, since three pleaded guilty to two reasonably serious offences, in circumstances where there was evidence of possible aggravation (sectarianism etc).

(Afaik, for some offences where the sentence is appealed against, it is possible for a longer sentence to be imposed, where the appeal fails! Now that would make me laugh...

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Not a legal eagle, but it's to do with a presentencing report or something like that, that they can get off in bail due to an appeal. They can appeal against the sentencing length due to this, therefore a judge will likely release them on bail until the report arrives and this could take up to 5 - 6 weeks.

**Bald Student** · 11/10/2007, 2:42 PM

Originally Posted by lofty9

They can appeal against the sentencing length due to this, therefore a judge will likely release them on bail until the report arrives and this could take up to 5 - 6 weeks.

Just in time for Christmas. I hope they do this.

**btid1** · 11/10/2007, 2:44 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

My point is that, whether Bohs like it or not, it HAS therefore now become a Bohs problem as well as a societal problem. And the longer it persists the harder it will be for Bohs to shake off.

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

If not, then the rep will stick and the issue will remain a Bohs problem for some time.

Agree on both counts.

**btid1** · 11/10/2007, 2:46 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

well my cop friends say it differently. Guess its all down to perception. Your "one incident" has no relevence at all on the type of things we're talking about

Im just using this to display the sort of incidents that are occuring today that never would have happened in the past and hence the changing face of Irish society.

Anyway I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.......

**Dodge** · 11/10/2007, 2:48 PM

Originally Posted by btid1

Im just using this to display the sort of incidents that are occuring today that never would have happened in the past and hence the changing face of Irish society.

You're right, she's the first garda ever hit. she's probably the first woman too.

Get a ****ing grip will you

**btid1** · 11/10/2007, 2:51 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

You're right, she's the first garda ever hit. she's probably the first woman too.

Get a ****ing grip will you

There is just no speaking to some people did you not read the last line of my post........

Yes because this country is much better off now than it was 25 years ago in terms of murders,shootings,drugs,rapes,burgularies......etc

I dont know how you could claim that this country is not on a downward spiral in terms of the actions of certain sections of it population.And sarcasm really is the lowest form of wit.

Now can we leave it at that!!!

**Dodge** · 11/10/2007, 2:56 PM

Originally Posted by btid1

I dont know how you could claim that this country is not on a downward spiral in terms of the actions of certain sections of it population.

Because the facts back me up in almost* every category

But you continue to believe whatever tabloids tell you. The 60s was all about love, the 70s was all about disco and Dublin wasn't totally gripped by a heroin epidemic throughout the 80s.

*(I'll give you shootings are up)

**osarusan** · 11/10/2007, 2:59 PM

Originally Posted by btid1

Yes because this country is much better off now than it was 25 years ago in terms of murders,shootings,drugs,rapes,burgularies......etc

I dont know how you could claim that this country is not on a downward spiral in terms of the actions of certain sections of it population.And sarcasm really is the lowest form of wit.

I've stayed well away from this thread, but thought I had to highlight this classic. Sarcasm and then a condemnation of it within 3 lines.

**btid1** · 11/10/2007, 3:04 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

I've stayed well away from this thread, but thought I had to highlight this classic. Sarcasm and then a condemnation of it within 3 lines.

Here osarusan spell irony!!!

**btid1** · 11/10/2007, 3:07 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Because the facts back me up in almost* every category

But you continue to believe whatever tabloids tell you. The 60s was all about love, the 70s was all about disco and Dublin wasn't totally gripped by a heroin epidemic throughout the 80s.

*(I'll give you shootings are up)

I love the nonchalant rolling of the eyes as it you are the epitomy of knowledge on all such subjects........

So one question then.You think Dublin is as safe now as it was in the 60's?

**Dodge** · 11/10/2007, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by btid1

So one question then.You think Dublin is as safe now as it was in the 60's?

Yes. Do you think there are more incidents at LOI than there was during the 70s?

**btid1** · 11/10/2007, 3:16 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Yes. Do you think there are more incidents at LOI than there was during the 70s?

I presume you lived in both periods then?

LOI crowds in 1970s V LOI crowds in 2007

**passerrby** · 11/10/2007, 3:23 PM

NI constabulary will automatically object to bail if someone resides ouside the state, number of people in this area have been held for this reason and if bail is granted then a requirement to stay in NI is normally required...on a personnell note hope the all share a cell with some extra large loyalist with yearnings for sex

**Bald Student** · 11/10/2007, 3:25 PM

I don't mean to be a square but if there's a ban on the word 'prod' in this discussion, surley there should be a ban on people promoting rape?

**passerrby** · 11/10/2007, 3:26 PM

no i was hoping it was consenual

**A face** · 11/10/2007, 4:15 PM

Moderation: Lads, no more use of the word 'Prod' or 'Proddy' or whatever variation. Knock it on the head.

**sonofstan** · 11/10/2007, 5:41 PM

Originally Posted by btid1

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So one question then.You think Dublin is as safe now as it was in the 60's?

Not sure about the 60s, but i'm bloody sure it's safer now in all sorts of ways than in the 70s when i was a teenager - random violence seemed way more prevalent then; and football related violence was much more common; and as Dodge says, the Heroin epidemic in the 80s wasn't pleasant for the non- user either - so yes, Dublin's safer now than at anytime in my experience

**onceahoop** · 11/10/2007, 5:54 PM

Originally Posted by lofty9

All they need is to have had representation by today and they could be out tomorrow/Monday with any half decent barrister/solicitor. Info from my bro in law who couldn't do the work 'due to other commitments'. Their parents have spent all morning sourcing legal representation.

I was just thinking this morning that if they had been in the District Court down here a Judge would not have heard the case, if they had no representation, because of the possibility of a custodial sentence, even if they declined representation. I've seen it many times in the Courts here. Judges insisting that defendents are represented. The cynical among you will say that they're just making money for their solisitor friends, but Judges insist on this as far as I can see. Don't know how Magistrates approach it in General up there.

Not withstanding the above, I hope they've had a sharp shock to their systems. As I said earlier rocks for brains.

**Block G Raptor** · 11/10/2007, 6:20 PM

Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

Just for the record I don't recognise any of the younger scumbags who were sent down but I do recognise the older one called Frankie O'Reilly.

Let the Foot.ie record state that he is a home and away supporter who is regularly seen in the long bar at Dalymount. They don't hand out membership cards to holigan groups but as far as I am concerned he is a fully fledged member of the BSC.

The

I'll second that! also like to add that I recognise two of the other three from same group of muppets in longbar only one that I don't recognise
was also surprised not to see Frankie's mate with him (don't know his name) but you rarely see one without the other so can only assume that he got away I think VM will know who I'm Talking about

**depor** · 11/10/2007, 7:03 PM

ya their behaviour was disgraceful, but the judges comments about '' protecting all the people of the city'' is laughable, the likes of him (crowns court) were one sided and practices aparthite for long enough.

the fellas are also being made an example of, that crowd up there (bbc and local government) love nothing better than making a big thing over a few thugs from the republic so they can tell us how bad our nation is. their full of ****, they are the biggest pack of hypocrites, they talk like that place was peaceful and then the ''southerners'' came up to wreck the paradise. i sure do pity the nationalists and derry fc fans having to listen to that bull**** everyday of their lives.