Originally Posted by Lim till i die
...which doesn't involve being away from your family for 10 days.
He's still playing for Man City
FFS you'd think he has a raped a bus load of nuns by some of the reactions on here.
...which doesn't involve being away from your family for 10 days.
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Pi$$ poor argument people are trotting out.
He's not being asked to go to Baku and Yerevan for two games
It's Dublin
I'd wager there are away games in the Premiership further away from his family (which family btw?? The one he was happy to have living in Cobh or the new one)
Away for ten days my Aras
Dublin is really is the outer frontier of the universe alright!!
So he was happy to go to Prague and Bratislava and felt mentally right for that but no a short hop HOME!!Because remember this is supposed to be his home.
Premership teams often take 4 or 5 days away from their bases at a time to travel and prepare for away games in London or the North East.How is he able for these?
No matter what Richard Dunne says publically you can be assured that the Irish team as a whole are not impressed with his behaviour.Why should they bother their ****** coming over if he cant be arsed?!!
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Do you personally know what frame of mind he is in? Do you personally know if he feels he can be away for 10 days? Do you personally know if he feels dragging himself away for 10 days to potentially get abuse from people like yourself is something he can handle?
I suspect not. Either do I btw which is why I'm not jumping to conclusions or presuming him guilty of anything without knowing the full story.
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The bottom line regarding this as far as I can see is that if Ireland at the age of 21 can't handle being 50 minutes on a plane from his familiar surroundings for a little over a week then he is certainly not the sort of player we want battling for us in central midfield in future campaigns when we will often be away from home in hostile surroundings and up against it.
This shows a lot about his lack of mental strength which is something that is not going to suddenly increase dramatically in the next few years and to me it goes a long way to explaining his disappearing act on the pitch in many of the away games in the current campaign irrespective of his odd goal or two.
Judging how Stan handled Paddy Kenny who was the last high profile Irish player that suffered from personal problems then I'd be surprised if we see Ireland playing under du Gaffur for a long time. Here's hoping Garvan, McCann and J O'Brien step up and show that bit of the passion we so clearly lack throughout our team at this moment.
Not the type of player we need. Particularly in the current setup. Next please.
Last edited by youngirish; 11/10/2007 at 10:15 AM.
Keane's attitude for Ireland is horrific. I'd agree with the rest though
I know this much:
He's still happy to play for Man City
Yet you can jump to the conclusion that he obviously has problems??I suspect not. Either do I btw which is why I'm not jumping to conclusions or presuming him guilty of anything without knowing the full story
OT I know but Keane breaks his ar$e playing for Ireland. Please don't confuse his frustration at the ineptitude going on all around him with a bad attitudeKeane's attitude for Ireland is horrific
So now its the fans fault that he can't be arsed to play?
If this was Shay Given or Richard Dunne dropping out for personal problems, I think we'd be a lot more understanding.
Mental illness is always scandalously stigmatized and ridiculed in this country. Usual macho bulls**t. We have a ridiculously high suicide rate because of this narrow-minded cultural attitude, and the lack of education from above. Paul McGrath's alcoholism was celebrated and even joked about over the years, even though it's pretty much destroyed him as a human being. There's obviously something wrong with Ireland's mind at the moment, as we can gather from what's been said (particularly by Eriksson), and I certainly won't hold it against him if he goes on to play for us again.
I remember Robbie Keane playing for Ireland against Albania after his father died - it was admirable, but it was obvious that he wasn't right mentally. He had a shocker, and we drew 0-0. In sport, a frail mind can be just as debilitating as a physical injury.
On the issue of footballing merits, I think Ireland is a talented player who could thrive in 'the hole' behind a main striker, as he did against Slovakia. He's worthy of a place in the squad anyway. And I hope he comes back soon, and ends this issue.
If he did rape a bus full of nuns a lot of ye would probably still be saying the poor lad obviously has issues. He has already said "Football is ****, why did i get stuck doing it", boycotted internationals at underage level and pulled out of 2 games for Ireland, lying twice the first time and giving an extremely weak excuse this time, WTF has he got to do before it sinks into your skulls that he doesn't give a **** about playing for the national team
Have to say there is some lovely imagery on this thread....all wombs and nuns....
Why would he have got abuse from as you say it people like me if he had met his obligation of playing for his country??
Its a pure cop out to say he was fearful of the reaction he would have gotten because he wouldnt have got any reaction apart from apathy!
As someone else said here he is most definitely not the sort of person you would want in the trenches with you away from home in somewhere like Turkey if he is that afraid of 80,000 of our his countrymen.
I'd say Lee Carsley is the happiest man on the planet at the moment.Now he may have some help in midfield against the Germans.
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May I just point out that football is not played in trenches (though, granted Sligos pitch has never been great) God, I hate that cliche.
Out for a spell, got neglected, lay on the bench unselected.
Not my words. Used elsewhere and by Stan. If they are saying he has problems then they are just that...problems. Who are we to say what they are and who are you to judge him without knowing any facts?
Q. Can you deny that you do not know the full story!?
A. No
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Read my post again. I didn't say that. I said do you know if he is feeling like that? Answer = No. Therefore, you don't know the full story but feel well placed enough to know that 80,000 fans would have felt apathy for him
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He's still happy to play for Man City
If I recall, there wasn't all that much loyalty or good feeling shown towards him on this site.VERY DISAPPOINTING ATTITUDE......this was his chance to "pay back" the loyalty and good feeling shown towards him during his recent personal crisis......who is advising him?
[kenny cunningham] possibly so [/kenny cunningham] but if he is so depressed then how come he is still playing for MC and playing extremely well? As you said yourself Robbie played horribly after his father died because it obviously effected him so either S.Ireland isn't suffering from depression or he is still able to play very good football despite it, either way there should be no reason why he can play for MC but not Ireland.
When backed against the wall you can't even come out with anything else. Victory is sweet.
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