Free View Box/ Magic Box

**Dodge** · 09/10/2007, 2:29 PM

You seem to have missed the point about me criticising them.

**Raheny Red** · 09/10/2007, 5:30 PM

Forgetting about the legality side of things, should one buy this?

**kdjaC** · 09/10/2007, 5:47 PM

Originally Posted by baileban

Think about it smart-arse!
NTL have thousands of customers - if they keep knocking out the channels so the pirate-box holders lose their channels then they are going to lose more and more customers - it doesn't make sense for them to keep trying to annoy the pirate-box holders at the expense of losing their existing customers.
That is all they do to the likes of me - they keep changing the signal - but the box I have automatically finds the channels again.

How long did you study my post for before you found what you thought was a hole in it?? A flimsy hole at that!!
If you have nothing constructive to add to what was a legitimate question from one of your fellow posters then don't bother at all.

Sky have threatened to remove all their channels unless NTL fix this issue, it costs roughly 100k to change the codes and about 30 seconds for Dbox or Eurovox to find new channels as long as its a one way system the Dbox. Eurovox box will work as Dodge said when they go full digital it wont work.

Mate down the pub who is selling dboxs told me that.

kdjac

**jebus** · 09/10/2007, 9:18 PM

Weren't you mouthing off to myself and KingdomHoop for talking about drug taking at a festival? About how we're scum who lead children astray or something? (forgive me if my memory isn't great, I gotta admit I'm pretty high)

Now you are talking about how great it is to be ripping off companies that are offering a great service at a reasonable price? Spare me Baileban, spare me

**jebus** · 09/10/2007, 9:46 PM

You're a thief Baileban, a common thief, much worse than someone who supplies naturally produced produce from the earth

**Mark Breen** · 10/10/2007, 8:31 AM

Originally Posted by Raheny Red

Forgetting about the legality side of things, should one buy this?

YES you should

**endabob1** · 10/10/2007, 9:29 AM

Baileban, your stance on this reminds me of the time Homer steals cable in the Simpsons.

**paul_oshea** · 10/10/2007, 9:48 AM

Weren't you mouthing off to myself and KingdomHoop for talking about drug taking at a festival? About how we're scum who lead children astray or something? (forgive me if my memory isn't great, I gotta admit I'm pretty high)

Jebus, please down try and compare the two and insult peoples intelligence. Btw what sorta substances are we talking about?!

No seriouslly though a bit of weed maybe, but-drugs-are-for-losers-man! If ye cant experience it because of your own personal high then dont look to substances to do it for you.....just start listening to good music, like I do!

**kingdom hoop** · 10/10/2007, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by baileban

A sad, pathetic attempt at humour by the great Jesus, I mean Jebus.

Having gotten to know Jebus and his virtuousness on a social and personal level over the past few months I would sincerely doubt he was joking about a subject so detrimentally woven into the moral fabric of society as common thievery. If I may expand on his tenet, it is that morality can be adjudged through a conduit that examines wrongs on their purest level, thus revealing a useful moral barometer that ought to pressure each and all in their daily activities. Thievery is always atop that scale, the root of all evil.

To not steal something you have no justifiable claim to is the cardinal rule of morality, from which no derogations will mean an ordered society filled with loving people. If you instil that philosophy, everything else is ancillary. So from that perspective the re-allocation of a sought after product like Mary Jane is down the scale compared to stealing something. That is Jebus' point explained in a more convoluted manner, we could all do well to take it on board, and especially not allow our children to witness and benefit from any of our plunges into the dark side.

**Sligo Hornet** · 10/10/2007, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by kingdom hoop

Having gotten to know Jebus and his virtuousness on a social and personal level over the past few months I would sincerely doubt he was joking about a subject so detrimentally woven into the moral fabric of society as common thievery. If I may expand on his tenet, it is that morality can be adjudged through a conduit that examines wrongs on their purest level, thus revealing a useful moral barometer that ought to pressure each and all in their daily activities. Thievery is always atop that scale, the root of all evil.

To not steal something you have no justifiable claim to is the cardinal rule of morality, from which no derogations will mean an ordered society filled with loving people. If you instil that philosophy, everything else is ancillary. So from that perspective the re-allocation of a sought after product like Mary Jane is down the scale compared to stealing something. That is Jebus' point explained in a more convoluted manner, we could all do well to take it on board, and especially not allow our children to witness and benefit from any of our plunges into the dark side.

Haven't I seen you at Speaker's Corner on a Sunday morning ?

**paul_oshea** · 10/10/2007, 10:47 AM

good point kingdom hoop, especially the fact that lots of thieves use drugs, and being "high" on drugs makes lots of them do acts they wouldn't normally do, then your point is even more valid

**Macy** · 10/10/2007, 10:58 AM

It's theft. Whether it bothers you is a different question, but trying to hide it as something else is just plain silly. If jebus & kingdom hoop robbed their drugs from Boots, another multinational, would that be okay then? Or is shoplifting okay from Tesco?

**paul_oshea** · 10/10/2007, 11:29 AM

If jebus & kingdom hoop robbed their drugs from Boots

You couldn't buy their drugs in a supermarket or pharmacy

Dead duck and all that.

**kingdom hoop** · 10/10/2007, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by Sligo Hornet

Haven't I seen you at Speaker's Corner on a Sunday morning ?

Indeed! This week I'll be joined by special guest star baileban to pontificate on the difficulty of staying calm in the face of opinion diversity. 11am, be there!

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

You couldn't buy their drugs in a supermarket or pharmacy

You're right, unfortunately that distribution channel is unavailable for our products, but we can save you the hassle and deliver to your door if you wish.

Paul, you said it was insulting to people's intelligence to equate the act of theft with drug-taking. I made a post in that regard, without insulting your intelligence. However you insulted your own intelligence, and mine too, by the spurious claim that drug-takers are losers. It's not good enough Paul.

Where is the justification that allows you to defame free-thinking people like Jebus, and many other friends of mine, by brandishing them as losers, instead of chastising people like baileban who engage in stealing? This is a valid comparison, people who steal take what is not theirs, drug-takers do not. You are happy to focus on the morally innocent and leave the guilty off scot-free? I don't understand.

**paul_oshea** · 10/10/2007, 1:14 PM

Where is the justification that allows you to defame free-thinking people like Jebus, and many other friends of mine, by brandishing them as losers, instead of chastising people like baileban who engage in stealing? This is a valid comparison, people who steal take what is not theirs, drug-takers do not. You are happy to focus on the morally innocent and leave the guilty off scot-free? I don't understand

That was a 90's slogan in the states ( high school ), hence I hyphenated to point this out. It was meant tongue in cheek.

The other point did not say all drug takers steal either, just a lot of those woh commit robberiers/mug occur when on drugs or to feed drug habits.

This is a valid comparison, people who steal take what is not theirs, drug-takers do not. You are happy to focus on the morally innocent and leave the guilty off scot-free? I don't understand

But on this, I dont really want to get into it on a forum ( for fear of those who might know me

), getting the drugs to you, prolly involves lots of stealing, theft, corruption etc etc.....so its not black and white, i do drugs and thats it nothing wrong with that, im not doing anything wrong, because yes you are. Maybe if and when it becomes legal then you can take that view but until then most certainly not. You are a smart lad, you know what I am talking about.

**Macy** · 10/10/2007, 1:17 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

The other point did not say all drug takers steal either, just a lot of those woh commit robberiers/mug occur when on drugs or to feed drug habits.

A lot of petty crimes are feeding drug habits, but those people make up a very small percentage of those actually taking drugs.

**paul_oshea** · 10/10/2007, 1:19 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

A lot of petty crimes are feeding drug habits, but those people make up a very small percentage of those actually taking drugs.

Probably, but its still a fact and it doesnt make it any better.

**kingdom hoop** · 10/10/2007, 1:53 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

It was meant tongue in cheek.

In isolation, yes. But you followed it by saying;

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

If ye cant experience it because of your own personal high then dont look to substances to do it for you.....

That inescapably implies that you think drug-takers are losers. Sorry but that's what you said. At least admit that's what you think and then we could constructively debate, but hiding behind the thin veil of so-called tongue in cheek remarks doesn't cut any mustard.

As for trying to convince me that I should treat drug-taking as being as bad as stealing, I don't accept your you-are-implicated-in-stealing-because-of-the-drug-distribution-chain point as it is on a largely irrelevant macro level whereas I was talking about the personal moral culpability of someone stealing vis-a-vis someone condoning drug use. In that regard, I stand by my assertion that stealing something is worse than taking drugs on the simple basis that taking something that is not yours to take is the greatest wrong of all.

**paul_oshea** · 10/10/2007, 2:06 PM

If ye cant experience it because of your own personal high then dont look to substances to do it for you.....At least admit that's what you think and then we could constructively debate, but hiding behind the thin veil of so-called tongue in cheek remarks doesn't cut any mustard.

No it doesn't, but I honestly dont see the need to take anything as a natural high you can get by doing certain things. Thats all I want to say on it hoop. I am not hiding behind anything.

I don't accept your you-are-implicated-in-stealing-because-of-the-drug-distribution-chain point as it is on a largely irrelevant macro level whereas I was talking about the personal moral culpability of someone stealing vis-a-vis someone condoning drug use.

On that point, not to sure what you mean, what I am saying is the drugs you take, what happens along the way you cant turn a blind eye to and say "oh well he shouldn't be stealing", because for all you know, stealing ( of some sort ) was probably involved in getting your drugs to you either directly or indirectly. Macro or Micro level is irrelevant, whether big or small the same distribution channels are being used.