Going up and staying up

**Conor H** · 07/10/2007, 1:12 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

Sorry but Sligo are too good to end up in the bottom four or five next year. And this is from a neutral.

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Depends on what happens there. They seem to be a club always on the edge of turmoil. Talk in the Sligo forum about Paul Cook leaving at the end of the season, so if there's to be another rebuilding process, then they could have a slow start which will leave them fighting relegation for much of the season, with the increase in the number of teams going down.

Exactly my reasoning for putting them in that bracket.No wuming because it's Sligo.
If they hold onto their current squad and management and add a few players they'll be fine but it appears Hughes has left already so they might struggle next year.

**feo123** · 07/10/2007, 1:53 PM

you never know whats going to happen in this league, just look at derry last season, cup winners and 2nd in the league, bringing PSG so close in europe aswell, they've been inconsistent this season, and will finish about 7th, from season to season its a different story

**superfrank** · 07/10/2007, 3:34 PM

Originally Posted by Conor H

Exactly my reasoning for putting them in that bracket.No wuming because it's Sligo.

Sorry Conor I wasn't aware of the situation up in Sligo.

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Depends on what happens there. They seem to be a club always on the edge of turmoil. Talk in the Sligo forum about Paul Cook leaving at the end of the season

Seriously though, is there some deep lying problem at that club? I know Connor wasn't forced out but the players didn't take much convincing to go with him. Now, having read about Adam Hughes, I wonder why is it that Sligo can't hold on to their players and managers?

**sligoman** · 07/10/2007, 3:46 PM

Hughes is well settled in Sligo but with the wages Drogs have offered him, ya couldn't expect him to turn it down. Although Drogs are welcome to him now after him faking an injury to avoid playing against them on Friday.

**superfrank** · 07/10/2007, 3:49 PM

Originally Posted by sligoman

Hughes is well settled in Sligo but with the wages Drogs have offered him, ya couldn't expect him to turn it down. Although Drogs are welcome to him now after him faking an injury to avoid playing against them on Friday.

Why would a happy player fake an injury (if he did)?

**feo123** · 07/10/2007, 4:53 PM

lets not get into this, we don't know the full story, very unfair on the player involved if its a genuine injury

**Sam_Heggy** · 07/10/2007, 9:23 PM

Originally Posted by Conor H

Don't know why you're so sure of that.
Traditonally the premier Divison team wins the playoff.I think what happens in the 1st Divison is you get a false sense of how good you actually are(that includes myself with UTD last year).
The gap between both Leagues is huge,and the ratioanale when you're Top of one League is that you're more than likely better than the teams in the Lower half of another.
UTD/Bray/Waterford/UCD will be in the playoff this year and i'd fancy all 4 of them teams against wither of the 3 1st Divison teams in the playoff.

As for next year-Huge year for all clubs.If Tc manages to keep us up he won't be given long to prove we won't be down in the bottom 4 next year.
I'd expect the 2 promoted teams and the one of the usual suspects(Bray,Waterford,UCD,UTD,Sligo)to struggle.

Remind me how Galway faired against Harps this season?

**don ramo** · 07/10/2007, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Conor H

Don't know why you're so sure of that.
Traditonally the premier Divison team wins the playoff.I think what happens in the 1st Divison is you get a false sense of how good you actually are(that includes myself with UTD last year).

wanna check your history there, last three years the first division team beat the premier in the play-offs,

best bet for any first division team next year is keep the budget low, get young talented players to showcaes there talents to bigger teams, and hope there good enough to keep the team up, and then they can move on to a more stable club, or stay put and make there current team better year by year,
if you do get relegated you have kept a low budget while bringing in more revenue, thus being financially prepared for an assault on the first divsion the following year,
basically save up money when your promoted, cause if you pump money into a team that has to finnish above 9th, you could cripple yourself, so if you go and save money, hope you stay up with that, the following year you have, either, more money to build a better prem team, or your well prepared finacially for the first,

**Conor H** · 08/10/2007, 7:51 AM

Originally Posted by don ramo

wanna check your history there, last three years the first division team beat the premier in the play-offs,

best bet for any first division team next year is keep the budget low, get young talented players to showcaes there talents to bigger teams, and hope there good enough to keep the team up, and then they can move on to a more stable club, or stay put and make there current team better year by year,
if you do get relegated you have kept a low budget while bringing in more revenue, thus being financially prepared for an assault on the first divsion the following year,
basically save up money when your promoted, cause if you pump money into a team that has to finnish above 9th, you could cripple yourself, so if you go and save money, hope you stay up with that, the following year you have, either, more money to build a better prem team, or your well prepared finacially for the first,

It was 4 years ago we lost to Drogheda?
The year after that Derry beat Harps?
Last year Dundalk won the "playoff" and Dublin City beat Rovers the year prior to that one but if you look back through the last couple of seasons the Premier teams have faired better.

**don ramo** · 09/10/2007, 1:56 AM

define couple, 3 years (actually 2), the only way it gets uneven in advantage of prem is if you go back 7 years, if even, could be more, no matter what division were in next year i think we can do well, maybe in the prem in another season id be more happy, as we have strong enough and talented young squad they would keep us in the current prem format, but the reduction would require a fairly hefty injection of cash, for any team going up this year, i think if longford and waterford come down and we stay down we stand a good chance of winning the division next year, if we keep the current squad,
but i would rather one season in the prem to prepare financially in case of relegation the following year, instead of another season in the first,

**CollegeTillIDie** · 09/10/2007, 10:09 AM

Harps will be leaving Ballybofey altogether for Stranorlar. Is this the first example of an ELOI club leaving it's home town? In England I can only think of Wimbledon moving to Milton Keynes.
Now I know Harps move , it's not far but still, the principle of the thing

**Jerry The Saint** · 09/10/2007, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Is this the first example of an ELOI club leaving it's home town?

Pat's left Inchicore for long stretches. Shelbourne left Ringsend. Rovers haven't played in Shamrock for a long time.

**cheifo** · 09/10/2007, 12:45 PM

If Harps keep Higsie from crossing over to the dark side(our neighbours on the Foyle) then we will stay up.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 09/10/2007, 9:09 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

Pat's left Inchicore for long stretches. Shelbourne left Ringsend. Rovers haven't played in Shamrock for a long time.

They all stayed in Dublin though. Stranorlar is a different town albeit a few hundreds yards over a bridge.

**superfrank** · 09/10/2007, 9:14 PM

Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Harps will be leaving Ballybofey altogether for Stranorlar. Is this the first example of an ELOI club leaving it's home town? In England I can only think of Wimbledon moving to Milton Keynes.
Now I know Harps move , it's not far but still, the principle of the thing

But they're not called Ballybofey Harps or Stranorlar Harps, they're Finn Harps, after the Finn River, iirc.

Also, there was the Murcia team moving to Granada in Spain during the summer.

**pineapple stu** · 09/10/2007, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

They all stayed in Dublin though. Stranorlar is a different town albeit a few hundreds yards over a bridge.

Stranorlar is just a conurbation of Ballybofey, the same way as Drumcondra and Ringsend are the same conurbation. Hardly Harps' fault if there's more country in between than in Dublin.

Originally Posted by superfrank

Also, there was the Murcia team moving to Granada in Spain during the summer.

That's an AFC scenario though. Different to here.

**superfrank** · 09/10/2007, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

That's an AFC scenario though. Different to here.

I thought the Granda business man bought the club in Murcia. He got all the players and their place in the Liga BBVA. It's very similar to the Wimbledon situation, as was CTID's example.

It's a lot different than the Harps one, I know.